"Its an Able Seamans World' - Why the RN is right to change its language.
The Royal Navy has reportedly tried to look at modifying some
of its language to make it more gender neutral. This is, according to the tabloids,
a bad thing.
It seems that the current intention is to try to use more language
which is more reflective of the workforce rather than relying on historical
titles, and this may see the rate of ‘Able Seaman’ renamed in due course.
The response in the online cesspit known as the Daily Mail
comments page varies from demands to fire the First Sea Lord, through to
suggestions that women have no place in the modern armed forces if they can’t
adapt to the job title at hand. Throughout it all there seems to be a clear
view that this is a mans navy, and that its clearly woke nonsense pandering to
a minority here that want this change to happen.
Lets pause and breathe for a moment here and ask what is actually
going on, and whether this is something worth getting worked up about or if it
is actually a sensible idea?
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The Royal Navy has had women as part of its integral rank
structure since 1993. Prior to that female sailors in the most junior ranks
were simply known as ‘Wren’ (as in Wren Smith), while male sailors were known
as (Able) Seaman. When the forces
merged, the RN naming convention stayed on, even though it seemed nonsensical
then, and still does now for there to a female seaman.
Nearly 30 years later, the Royal Navy is in a battle for
talent with a huge range of employers and needs to attract people not just for
the short term, but the long term too. It needs to show that it is an employer where
everyone feels welcome and that their gender is of secondary concern to their ability
to do the job.
At this point there is usually a raft of comments and moans
going ‘but the title is historical, what next – woperson’ and ‘its only a rank,
if they don’t like it then they can leave’. Well the problem is that women can,
and do leave and that’s why there is a significant shortfall of trained
personnel and gaps. So why not try to take small steps to stop that happening?
Can you imagine the outcry if in 1993 the decision had been
taken to rename all AB’s Wrens? Could you imagine how many sailors would have
reacted to suddenly becoming Wren Jones rather than AB Jones? The dripping and
moaning would have been off the scale as people complained about the fact they
were men and not women, so why should they have a womans job title?
Now flip that around and suddenly you’ve got the situation
we’re now in where nearly 30 years after the two forces merged, we’ve still got
some out of date job titles in use. Why not change it to something that
reflects both genders rather than sounding terribly outdated?
There is no doubt that seaman plays a historical role in the
story of the Royal Navy, but military job titles can, and do, change on a
regular basis. Just because we use it now doesn’t mean that we have to use it
for all time.
Its very easy if you are retired or ex RN to assume that
political correctness has struck the Navy and its all gone to the dogs. But the
fact is that it hasn’t and it remains an employer that needs to attract the
absolute finest talent that this country has to offer.
The modern sailor needs to be intelligent, driven, able to
operate highly complex equipment and make difficult judgement calls that can
have international ramifications if they get it wrong. This is a lot to ask of
people and it is often extremely hard to find recruits willing to make the
commitment, and then stay for the long term.
In a battle for talent, the modern generation are much more
aware of things like language, gender equality and other issues which they
passionately care about. In this case, why not make a small change to show that
the RN is thinking about this sort of issue to continue to maintain its
attractiveness as an employer?
More widely there is also a message to be sent to those
already serving that the system recognises and respects gender. This is a big
deal to people, particularly women serving in a force that at times can feel
like its an overgrown boys school with a very active CCF section, and woe
betide you if you have breasts because that means you’re a girl and girls smell
(or words to that effect).
There is still an unacceptable level of casual sexism in some
parts of the Royal Navy – not necessarily intentionally, but it still exists. People
use language that acts as if women are not part of the workforce. There is the slightly
patronising, at times overly paternalistic way of speaking to females (civilian
and military) as if they are intruders in an all-male world in which some still
think they do not belong. Women are also
subjected to double standards, fired from Command for conducting themselves in the
same manner that their male counterparts did and got away with.
If you think this is nonsense, then read the comments section
of the tabloids or social media about this article and see that these views are
espoused on a depressingly regular basis – there is a significant minority of
people who genuinely seem to think that women have no place in the military –
usually the closest these people have come to service themselves is playing
Call of Duty.
There is also a wider institutional challenge too that needs
to be tackled head on. It is, frankly, a disgrace that nearly 30 years after
the Royal Navy integrated and took women to sea, the RN has yet to produce a
female 2* officer.
In an era when women make up roughly 10% of the entire regular
Royal Navy, why are there such a depressingly small number of female Captains and
above? The system should be generating more and more by now yet the numbers
remain resolutely small – this simply isn’t good enough.
This isn’t about meeting some kind of quota, this is about
saying that in a workforce full of skilled and talented people, isn’t something
going badly wrong if there are only a handful of female captains compared to
nearly 200 male captains? Why is the system failing to capture and drag talent
through at every promotion point prior to this, to ensure there is a pool of
talent able to be considered for promotion at this level?
It isn’t too about quotas for the sake of quotas – the best
workforces thrive on diverse ways of thinking and diverse ways of approaching
problems to solve them differently. If the overwhelming number of naval
admirals in history have been white males, then the system will always look at
solutions a certain way, and not be open to new ways of thinking.
Why would you challenge the done thing if in a system where
promotion relies on being seen to do the proper thing by your reporting officer,
and being written up for promotion rather than putting yourself forward for
promotion , so challenging a system that works because its always worked that
way is dangerous. This manner of closed thinking doesn’t make the most of
talent, and it could lead to dangerous practises.
We fundamentally need to look again at the career model too,
which at the moment feels intended to block off the route to the top by forcing
women to make a binary choice between the Service and their womb.
With childbirth age rising in the UK increasing numbers of female
officers will be having children in their late 20s or early 30s and then
stepping back from the career role for a few years while they raise their
family.
The problem is that this period is when most of those
destined for the top need to excel – as senior Lieutenants and Lieutenant
Commanders, they need to thrive now, working in ever more demanding roles in
order to get the coveted place on the Commander signal, then to sea in Command
or in a Charge job in order to pick up in due course.
The pace is relentless and fine if you are a male working
long hours when you can be posted to London and do 3-4 days a week in town,
leaving the childcare to your other half. If you are a mother of a young
family, that option is usually off the table.
When added to the cultural values that place presence over
production, meaning officers feel the need to be seen to be in the office late,
‘just in case’ and an at times incredibly unreasonable culture of expecting
people to produce briefs late at night for first thing in the morning, then it
can feel that the office culture of the RN is set up to allow mothers to fail.
This makes it harder to get to compete for the best jobs,
because your reporting record is that of someone who is doing the ‘easier’ jobs
to help you balance home and childcare needs with the needs of the service. This
means many women who want to go for the long haul find themselves forced into
asking whether they can have children, or if to do so would shut them off from
the professional success they rightly deserve.
Male officers are not put in this position. They do not need
to choose between two paths in the same way, nor do they need to decide what
matters more – they can have the paternity leave, then go on a posting to
London or go to sea for 6 months leaving their wife behind to take care of the
house and family.
By the time the women who chose to have children return to
work, they are behind the curve of their peers, seen as less employable and
through no fault of their own find themselves shunted to a second or third rate
set of postings by an appointer who controls their career. Before they know it,
they are left behind by the next generation of thrusting younger officers, keen
to put the long hours in and the cycle repeats itself.
So while the changes like Able Seaman may sound a small
thing, they point to a much deeper issue – namely how does the Royal Navy make
itself an employer that gives everyone an equal shot at a career.
This is as much about creating career structures that don’t
penalise people for having the audacity to have children. This means giving people
far more control over their postings, and possibly even asking whether it is
time to end the system of naval appointments as it currently stands and instead
let people apply for the jobs they want to do – this works well in the civil
service, where many senior civil servants are mothers of young children – the system
there actively supports them, and because they can choose which jobs to apply
for, it is far easier to have the determination to push for posts than it is to
be seen off by an appointer deciding on your behalf.
Its about creating a system where the language used reflects
the fact that the population is roughly a 50/50 split. Perhaps part of the
reason that only 10% of the workforce is female is because the system feels inherently
unwelcoming of female staff – when 30 years after integration, the closest the
RN has got to defining joint dress codes is ‘female equivalent’ it suggests
that perhaps it needs to work harder at learning what it is that women wear.
This may all sound flippant, but ultimately why do we want
to make things harder for ourselves? Why persist in maintaining a system of language
and challenges that help maintain the perception of the RN as an out of date male
dominated bastion of testosterone?
Why not make small linguistic changes that help show its
about attracting 100% of the workforce to feel welcomed and valued, and why not
change in such a way that means everyone feels they have a fair chance of a
good career – not be forced to make decisions that their male counterparts don’t
have to make about what their priorities are?
There will be those who think this is all about wokeness – its
not – its about listening to our people and reflecting their views. We wouldn’t
tolerate job titles that were racially abusive, we wouldn’t tolerate a career
system that penalised people because of the colour of their skin, so why do we tolerate
it for gender?
The modern world is changing rapidly, gender has quickly
moved from being a fairly binary thing to something more complex and evolving and where naval personnel can and do identify in a variety of ways.
It is important that the Royal Navy recognises that to the next generation of
recruits, this is something that matters in the same way as internet access,
being treated with respect and being listened to, and if they feel that they won’t
get that, then they will probably look elsewhere.
If you want to help make a difference then little changes do
help – think about using non gender words like headcount or personnel rather
than manpower. Don’t be afraid to appropriately challenge inappropriate ‘banter’
if you hear it, and do try to actively support groups like the Naval Women’s Network, who
are doing great work to help ensure that women are genuinely treated as equals
in the modern Royal Navy.
If you think the next generation are snowflakes hellbent on
ruining the military, then please reflect on the images emerging from the fire
on the USS Bonhomme Richard this week. The firefighters willingly going into this
hellish inferno were young, talented and often female – every bit the fighting sailor
that their predecessors were.
I'm surprised, and also strangely not, that the media have bothered to latch on to this non-issue. Able still has a cachet even though Ordinary is redundant. Thus the gender term Seaman now only applies to those rank progressions throughout the RN that are Able or Leading. Furthermore, alternative nominations for these two have always existed, namely Hand & Rate. Choose one and move on.
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Very good arguments as to why the current system is outdated and needs to be updated. Including everyone is the way to improve, when you exclude you get left behind.
ReplyDeleteThere already is a system where military personnel can apply for only the jobs they want, and have a higher degree of predictability: it's called full time reserve service (home commitment). The regulars already have enough problems with long-term non-deployability and bed-blocking of desirable appointments without institutionalising either issue any further. The corollary of some lucky people getting more stability in a desired role is other people getting less. If those people are men, then guess who suffers most? Their wives and children.
ReplyDeleteIt is not men's good fortune to be able to spend 3-4 days per week in (eg) London, as the author implies: the family would be quite entitled to move together, but for very good reasons of educational stability and/or spousal employment, many choose not to. This is not an easy lifestyle for anyone involved. I write from long experience of returning home on a Friday to a wife at the end of her tether and spending my weekend doing little but catching up on housework while she gets enough rest to be able to survive the next week alone with young kids. It's not much of a family life, I can tell you.
In fact there is little stopping female officers doing the weekly commute and 'getting ahead' besides society's expectation that mothers should be at home with their children every night. What the measures proposed here would really enable is for such families to duck the question of whether the husband should take the plunge and put his wife's career first. I can think of one - just one! - that has done it. What are we going to do for all the service wives who have sacrificed any hope of a fulfilling career?
"We should change working conditions to suit service wives, too!"... very easy to say but hard to do, and realism is needed on what is achievable. Regular service has certain features which are not easily squared with childcare, most obviously deployment, but also high readiness, unpredictable working hours for many, and ultimately the fact that some jobs need filling whether or not anyone actually wants to do them. Oddly the working couples best able to cope seem to be service couples, probably because the services usually manage not to deploy them simultaneously. Dare I say it, such couples are on a cushy number if both on X-factor. Contrast with a female officer whose husband was an airline pilot; she asked to be excused from deployments until their son was old enough to be left with grandparents and was promptly stripped of her X-factor. My initial response was outrage at her treatment, but then what is the X-factor for? She could have kept it had her husband cut his work commitment.
In sum, I am not convinced that distorting the posting system to allow service husbands to avoid the sacrifices which service wives routinely make is quite as fair and progressive a measure the author intends.
Terminology change is a no brainer - and if done well within a few years we will look back embarrassed that it took us so long, compared to, say, the fire service. Structures are harder, but they need a look at too. Please, however, don’t think the civil service system is a solution - having to recruit then interview someone for every change of posting takes an inordinate amount of line manager time and effectively mandates a gap in output whenever someone leaves, having applied for another role. Ask how much of our, say, C1’s time is spent doing c1 work, rather than covering the gaps underneath them.
ReplyDeletefairly even handed article, though this;
ReplyDelete"the RN has yet to produce a female 2* officer"
I think its the case that we have yet to see someone make the grade, that's all... positive discrimination is still discrimination, hiring quotas (discrimination) might work for the BBC and private world, but in a force where ability is key and all that matters in a job where peoples lives could be at stake is something where such practice should never encroach.
I think this is part of the wider retention problem all of HM Forces (and wider 'civil' jobs in general like nurses, teachers etc).
The desire to get a greater percentage of females at a higher rank is argued to be at odds with the current promotion system; but if promotion is not merit based on experience and achievements across a wide spectrum of roles and authorities, thus indicating further potential, then what system should be used instead? If time is taken out for family, or other reasons, and experience lost then how can promotion be justified against peers who have continued to do the hard graft at work as opposed to the hard graft at home or elsewhere. That is not intended to sound harsh or confrontational but this is the reality of the challenge faced. If the individual who had taken time out is promoted regardless they would not only lose credibility amongst their peers and superiors, who would be looking for those qualities, but in addition they would probably as a result of the lost experience be exposed or weakened in the higher role further undermining their position and potential for further advancement.
ReplyDeleteThere's also a distinct possibility that those who lost out on promotion, against those who didn't gain the experience or took on the tough jobs, would end up leaving the Service through the disillusionment of the perceived injustice at being passed over for a less qualified/experienced candidate; which plays into the same argument of losing capable people at a time when retention is key.
This misses the point, it's about breaking that 'everyone from the class of 2001 being judged against each other' process, and dragging the RN into the world of what can you do, rather than how many years have you been in your current role. This is how the rest of the private sector world works, if you're capable you get the job. If you need multiple different competencies in order to prepare you for a role, then the recruiter lists them and the candidates have to show they have them, so it doesn't matter if someone took 6 years off to raise kids 5 years ago.
Delete'the world of what can you do, rather than how many years have you been in your current role'
DeleteIt's not about how many years in the current role but it is most definitely about what you can do and the potential the individual shows to achieve yet more; and that will undoubtedly be enhanced by experience and evidence gained across a range of roles. So anyone taking time out will immediately be weakened when compared against candidates who have maintained momentum and are competing for promotion in a pyramid structure that requires fewer and fewer people at a higher level.
I would imagine that any move to a private sector promotion/selection model would result in a huge amount of sharp elbow applications for vacant roles, which would require lots of sifting (presumably against the same criteria of experience, achievements and potential that are currently used); and then we'd end up at the same selection point where the panel have to fairly select the most suitable qualified and experienced candidate for the role. Regardless of how you get to that point, there are more capable candidates than there are vacancies and those passed over will invariably become disillusioned and leave.
The comment about momentum smacks of unless you have been following the prescribed path (which coindentally is what the current heads of the organisation followed) we have no position for you. This will exclude the candidates who completed a full time MBA or set up a business before returning to the services. In any other organisation taking a step off the ladder to expand your experience would be looked on favourably, I can cite someone I know who left a senior banking position in his 40s, did a MBA at Harvard was accepted back to a similarly high position before going on to become head of the bank. These are the sort of people we need leading organisations.
DeleteAs you rightly point out there are less senior positions than people who want them, that's the same in any organisation and it's a good thing. It's the job of the leader to keep your team motivated and fighting for the opportunity to prove themselves as a successor. Whichever mechanism you use to select promotions, you will be left with those who don't make it, they are a valuable resource and good organisations make sure they are pushed to continue delivering by understanding what makes them tick and providing motivating challenges.
Gaining an MBA, setting up a business or starting a family before moving into a higher level of position is perhaps the holy grail of career paths and I'm sure given the option/ability to do so the vast majority of people would want to attempt that - it's almost like the having cake and eating it too approach to life. In fact the Mark Francois (MP) 'Filling the Ranks' paper in 2017 suggested something similar with lateral recruitment to bring quality candidates in from industry at a higher level but the paper even identified that this would have a challenging effect on those who 'have come up the hard way'. Incidentally, this would quite quickly realise the original aim stated by he author in the blog of getting female representation at a higher level but it would also introduce more competition for promotion and perhaps prevent the aspirations of the author and others being realised; much to their frustration and annoyance I suspect.
DeleteMy view is that if you take away an individual's aspirations then their motivation to take the tough roles/deployments, sacrifice a family life, or give up the quality of life that everyone wants, will be impacted accordingly. Why work away from home, put in unsociable hours or burn the midnight oil when there is little reward at the end of it other than to see someone stand on your shoulders? I would say that quite a few would then start to improve their qualifications, perhaps with an MBA, or invest in the family/quality of life that they've neglected, as they plan to pursue their aspirations in civilian life. Those that remain can only be motivated by leadership tools such as financial retention incentives or bits of metal to pin on their chest, which is pretty close to where the forces are right now.
The big issue is the timing of the change. Having been integrated for the last 30 years, why only now are they deciding to change. Bit like the recent replacement of Guy Gibbbon’s Labrador headstone at Scampton. It has nothing to do with old and grumpy armchair warriors, but rather the appearance that they are suddenly bowing to external pressure. One only has to look at recent occurrences with the Police. They allowed Extintion Rebellion to shut down cities, they bent the knee to BLM and didn’t stop the gatherings, that under Covid Legislation was illegal, and now they can’t stop Raves.
ReplyDeleteBe Proactive not Reactive
So you're arguing that the fact that a change is overdue, means it shouldn't be made??
DeleteHave I got that straight??
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ReplyDeleteOkay, Boomer.
ReplyDeleteThe circumstances no longer fit.
ReplyDeleteThe professional trade is no longer exclusively male.
If you were a man working in a cafeteria, would it be appropriate to call you a "lunch lady"??
We now refer to "police officers", "firefighters", "postal workers" ... all non-gendered terms instead of xxxx-man. It's not that complicated.
The true Naval tradition is to adapt and modernize, not to be stuck in an anachronistic past ... attitudes like that tend to lose battles.
By the way, the Canadian Coast Guard (with a mere 153 years of history) has used the term "deckhand" and employed females in all shipboard trades since more than 40 years ago. We have women who are senior Captains and Chief Engineers on our ships. And nobody has a problem with that.
For clarity, the title 'Seaman' is only used in some bits of the Warfare Branch. Hardly a seismic change. On the wider topic of gender equality, this is not an issue unique to the RN. The legal profession similarly penalises women for having children and I am sure there are other examples. No easy answers, but that does not mean we should throw up our hands and stop looking for ways to make it better.
ReplyDeleteIt is women deciding to have children in their late 20's early 30's that is one of if not the primary cause of women not going on to higher positions not just in the RN but in industry in general.
ReplyDeleteObservations from the real world show that the women who succeed in climbing the career ladder are those whose kids are effectively self-sufficient(get themselves to school and back etc.) when the mother needs to be able to dedicate the time necessary to management or directorial role.
Not a cool reply. Address the arguement, not the individual.
ReplyDelete"We fundamentally need to look again at the career model too, which at the moment feels intended to block off the route to the top by forcing women to make a binary choice between the Service and their womb."
ReplyDeleteThe above comment in the blog would suggest that only women are involved or engaged in the child rearing or management process. They are obviously solely affected by at the actual birth stage but thereafter the impact should be no different to their male counterparts. The difference may be that men seem to be more successful at having partners or spouses that are willing to support the family unit whilst they focus on their career. The comment in the blog seems to suggest that women should be allowed to focus on their family without affecting their career, and completely abdicates the need for the female's partner taking any responsibility for their children unlike the partners of their male counterparts.
I have some sympathy for our host’s views. The underlying problem is how to balance the traditions that give our service people a sense of belonging against the need for relevance to the society from which its members come, with half an eye to the exigencies of efficiency in an organisation under the eye of the Treasury.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I strongly believe we should see the issue not so much as a problem, but as an opportunity to institute organisational change; a means both of changing hearts and minds and of consolidating valuable but often under-recognised specialisms across the armed forces.
The armed forces have historically developed niche skills and units that have met special needs at particular times. Many of these have been superseded or outsourced (in the former category one thinks fondly of Col. Osman’s Pigeon Service, and in the latter the RATC). Some, such as the School of Bagpipe Music, have survived and thrived, and surely others will yet develop.
However, just as many of the Army’s logistical and support functions have been consolidated into the Royal Logistics and Adjutant General’s Corps, so we should now look to consolidate such units across the armed forces. We already see the beginnings of this in the joint Defence College of Logistics, Policing and Administration, but surely we should take this a step further, and consider all those roles which are duplicated or worse across the services, and consolidate them into a tri-service organisation with its own command structure, ethos and budget. Besides the potential for improvements to efficiency, it will also provide a fruitful home for a number of valuable but developing functions which might otherwise be subject to cuts by a more narrow definition of military purpose. The three forces’ photography and PR specialists spring to mind, and – to come back to my original point – the Personnel administration element could easily develop a shoulder-flash to denote skills in equality management and development.
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Delete100% correct. I occasionally see the RN branded artic moving items to Rosyth on the M8 or M9 and I wonder why a trailer with space in it is driving past the barracks at Dreghorn having presumably driven from the South West of England, past Warminster, etc but the supplies for the Army go in a separate truck. If the MOD was a commercial operation it would have gone bust years ago.
I repeat myself, the problem the MOD has is too much money, not too little. There is no driver to improve, innovate or challenge.
The problem is that they are leaving, hence we struggle to hit numbers leaving the UK's defence weaker. It also seems to be the ones with valuable skills who leave, disproportionately reducing capabilities.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure the article goes far enough. Let me ask two questions :
ReplyDelete- in this day and age, why can't a woman (or any other non-male gender) go to London 3-4 days a week or on deployment for 6 months, leaving the kids at home with their husband/partner? It's your relationship - it's up to you to decide whose career gets priority. I can see that expectations of existing Navy personnel generally aren't this advanced but the Navy policy certainly does not differentiate.
- Secondly, it should be an absolute outrage that women are shirking their responsibilities by not joining the armed forces in equal numbers. Imagine what the papers would say if men said they were going to stay home and send women to the front line to do their fighting for them? Women benefit from the freedoms we fight for and should be equal partners in doing so.
Interesting as a question of sensibility- I wouldn't necessarily have lumped together this idea " the Canadian Coast Guard (with a mere 153 years of history) has used the term "deckhand" " with this 2/3 ideas " employed females in all shipboard trades since more than 40 years ago. We have women who are senior Captains and Chief Engineers on our ships. And nobody has a problem with that" as though the issue of title for the most junior personnel actually implied a problem with employing women in shipboard trades or serving as senior officers. I come away educated- some part of these arguments, not all, seem to be among those to whom that connection is obvious versus those to whom it is not. Interesting.
ReplyDeleteWe had that argument decades ago in Canada as well about titles like "alderman". Not in every city, maybe, but many. Toronto, certainly. The alternative chosen was "councillor".
ReplyDeleteI remain torn. It was hard to remember that the title "alderman" included "man", somehow. It wasn't quite like "seaman", in that regard. It was more like a one word title with Anglo-Saxon origins that had to be eliminated for its own sake, with the gender issue tacked on. Plus, councillor sounded more modern, more technocratic, and arguably more grandiose. Gender put the change over the top. for our particular alderman/councillor at the time, I was never convinced that gender neutrality was her real concern.
We did change those other titles you mention, but what interests me by way of the comparison is that all those examples are quite different, in a way that to me cuts both ways, so I offer it more as a curiosity.
ReplyDelete"Lunch lady" is a colloquialism as far as I knew. There may have been exceptions. When my mother did it 35 years ago she was so-called by kids but her official title was some bland descriptor. Depending on what role one filled, cook, line cook, or something that describes serving from trays. Or walking the floor monitoring kids. She might have been a lunch room floor monitor, come to think. It was part time.
Police officer is interesting. Where not using slang, we all did slip from saying policeman to police officer decades ago, so that's a case for reform. On the other hand, both are colloquialisms at least in Commonwealth contexts. The official title was always constable. On the other hand, constable was always technically gender neutral. So there you go. Tradition upheld because non-threatening. A case for reform, of a sort, but not the same one.
Fireman is a much better example- I am reasonably confident the entry rank actually was usually the gendered title. So, reformed.
Postman I can't recall which of the former cases it fits. Or Mailman. Since I was a kid in the 70s in Canada, these were colloquialisms in universal use for sure, but not job titles. The official title was letter carrier. If that was a gender-neutral reform, it's an older one. could be.
On the other hand, I'm not sure two of those fields have any case to argue for professional tradition, heritage, or group esprit de corps, and the two that do don't have as much or as long such cases as longer lasting military or naval services, so I'm not sure they make suitable comparisons.
I did once some years ago hear from a relative who served in a Canadian police force that there was a move to eliminate the rank of constable not for the in this case irrelevant gender reasons, but because it was too old fashioned and vaguely authoritarian. Not exactly militaristic, since I doubt the advocates knew of its medieval origins, or they would have raised this. But still somehow bad. This was eventually dismissed, but it was at the same time as "police force" was changed to police service for similar reasons, so I don't assume the rank change was a non-starter. It just didn't make the cut.
It's stuff like that that gets people's backs up. By way of illustration, for me "police service" is fine. The word service is old and honourable. It's the explicitly stated notion that "police force" is too violent and authoritarian that got me. These arguments are carried out in such code terms. One gets to be on watch for them.
Doesn't mean the RN can't change its name for ratings. Or even that it shouldn't. It might be an example of a good change. But there have been too many nonsense ones.
I've bothered that other commenter enough.
ReplyDeleteThere is a good case here, alluded to in my replies above. The RN could take the most moderate possible route and change all references to "seaman" to "sailor". That would avoid any of the more irritating possible options one might imagine in this technocratic, grade-inflating age by sticking to an equally traditional word that is also a generic descriptor, and an honourable one. Sailor 2 and Sailor 1, in whichever order of seniority matches RN practice for numbering. Or Sailor 3,2,1.
This would actually be pretty reasonable.
It doesn't mean I don't disdain the impulse to some degree, but just that in this case I think the accommodation modest and plausible, if done in such a way as above.
I can't speak for others, but I suspect I am not alone among disdainers in that my gut reaction is driven by other past, present, and inevitable future demands of this sort that have been based on gender but less reasonably so, or used gender as a cover for other ambitions to standardize, eliminate local variation, eliminate traditional or customary usages, or inflate status [in the advocates' perceptions- I am not conviced councillor is grander than alderman], or have offered similar rationales based on other considerations than gender [police force = frightening].
Or put another way, many very reasonable and informed people make similar cases that we should make a small change because it's small, and doesn't matter, and it will make people feel more welcome. And disdain any argument from tradition as trifling. Well written, it can be a strong case, or at least a psychologically difficult to challenge case.
The flip side is actually equal in significance and similar in structure- if it's a small thing that doesn't matter that much, then why is it so important to make it? One must be pushing it as part of some larger set of goals. As this has so often been the case, it takes at least some reserve goodwill and effort to look past it on a case by case basis.
Beyond that, there is the larger issue implied by always saying "it's a small thing, so why not make it if it will make people more welcome?"
"Feeling welcome" looms large for many today, and it's something we can all recognize to some or other degree, as there are many degrees of feeling welcome or unwelcome, and many degrees to which institutions make demands on us or bend to our personal desires. "Tradition" looms less large for many today, but it's something most can still recognize to some degree, or we wouldn't have these debates at all.
I submit that they are actually morally and intellectually equivalent, just better suited to different kinds of temperaments. One side disdains the totemic idea of the other, but for me, biased toward one but a little bit outside [I'm not a sailor and as an Xer I generationally stand between the times when tradition held more sway and the modern desire for a greater degree of welcome], they seem to me to be very similar in structure and weight.
In the end, I'm biased to the tradition side partly because I think I've seen enough of it eliminated for its own sake, just as others might preserve it for its own sake and some find that irritating, and it's time to step back. That and I find in my own organization the degree to which the next couple of generations need to have their adaptations accepted to make them feel welcome seems like they lack any kind of adaptability of their own. I joined an organization that once was an institution, then became just another organization, then just a set of jobs and career paths. I never did become part of the true core group which it is designed to serve, and unlike some I was fine with that. I didn't want to make the sacrifices they make, and I didn't have the ambitions and drive and political skills they need to succeed. I found my niche and have worked 22 years in an organization in which I both fit and don't fit. I've been described both ways by others. a balance was possible. Yet I hear younger people opining that it's too rigid and needs to open up. I look around, and don't get it.
ReplyDeleteI do apologize for length- a pithier way of expressing it might be to say that advocacy for more 'welcoming' is not really a less emotional, more rational argument in its basis or conclusions than advocacy for 'tradition'. They are moral and intellectual equals. Only temperamentally different.
I don't think the Navy has "gone to the dogs" but I do think that it is lucky that a) we have very few ships b) we don't have an empire c) there are no wars to fight.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely - thus time to modernise, change and adapt to a totally different landscape than even 40 years ago