Doing more with less? The argument for cutting the Royal Navy escort force.




The number of active warships in service in the Royal Navy has long been a matter of public interest. You only need look at the debates in the 1900s over the procurement of Dreadnoughts or arguments around aircraft carrier and battleship numbers to realise that numbers matter to the public.

It is traditional when people assess the state of the RN to look and compare ship numbers to that of Admirals or other metrics, or compare like for like the number of vessels to other navies. Usually these statistics can be spun any which way you like in order to meet the story you want to achieve.
The current area of interest is that of the size of the escort fleet (namely the six destroyers and thirteen frigates in service) and whether it is enough, too small or even too large for the tasks ahead of it.

The well regarded defence publisher Shepard media put out an article this week suggesting that the force of 19 is likely to drop over the next few years as the gap between existing ships paying off, and new ships entering service becomes unsustainable. Despite the public aspiration for growing the force, it is likely, in the short term, to shrink.

The question Humphrey wants to explore in this article is that of playing devils advocate and asking whether the RN actually needs 19 escorts, or if this paying off gap and the forthcoming SDSR represents an opportunity to do something very different to the modern RN.

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On paper the escort fleet is the metric by which most people gauge the operational capability of the RN. It provides anti-air, anti-submarine and anti-surface ship capability as well as offering a general patrol and reassurance platform capable of doing the litany of tasks that could be packaged up under the banner of ‘maritime security’.

The RN has traditionally built and funded an escort fleet intended for the ability to scale up to the highest and most intense levels of conflict – fighting a peer rival possessing highly capable weapon systems and being able to win. This capability comes at significant cost though, as RN ships possess not just the visible weapon and radar systems, but a plethora of electronic capability, combat systems, internal survivability features, soft kill measures and all manner of other discrete but expensive parts that make them inherently more lethal and more survivable in combat.

This is underpinned by a training regime intended to work ships up to be able to fight at the full range of conflict spectrums including general war, and when an RN escort ship deploys, it does so in the knowledge that if called upon, it is ready to fight at any conceivable level.

But this capability comes at a price, and expensive ships force down escort force numbers as they become increasingly unaffordable. This is, in part, being addressed by the Type 31 frigate, designed as a cheap but relatively capable platform able to do much of the maritime constabulary role, but potentially not go toe to toe with a peer rival.

Is this a good indicator of the future way the RN should evolve, focusing its efforts far more on ships that can do maritime security, but not be ready to fight WW3? If you look at the sort of work that most RN vessels carry out on deployments, many are very busy trips focusing on high end work – for example operating with NATO allies in the Black Sea, tracking hostile submarines that pose a threat, defending UK merchant shipping from missile attack in the Southern Red Sea, or providing task group defence to high value shipping like carriers and amphibious platforms.

But there is also a large chunk of work that doesn’t require a particularly sophisticated platform to deliver. For instance counter piracy work, maritime security patrols, capacity building with local forces, defence diplomacy visits and so on. For every high capability role that needs capability to be available, there is a myriad of good unglamorous work that goes undone for lack of hull availability.

The challenge for RN force planners is working out how best to make use of their platforms when they deploy. If you have a billion pound anti-air warfare destroyer, you want it doing relevant work – but what has to be dropped to cover it? How many port visits need to be scrapped in order to keep ships on station elsewhere, damaging soft power and influence opportunities? Part of the challenge is with relatively few highly capable assets available, the temptation is both to work them hard, and focus on what they are good at.

Maybe the time has come for the RN to think the unthinkable and ask whether it actually needs 19 escort ships or if it could reduce the high capability force down to 12-14 ships? Before this causes gasps of outrage from readers, its worth setting out why this may be quite a good idea for the benefit of the Royal Navy as a whole…


The highly capable force is busy, hard worked and focused on building up to delivering Task Group operations for the carrier force. Out of area deployments are going to become increasingly rare and the idea of the lone deployer of destroyer or frigate going off on its own for 6-9 months will be unthinkable. The modern Task Group navy is going to focus on delivering big groups of ships in one place able to deliver a lot of power if required.

But while this Task Group concept is in many ways admired as a means of generating a credible navy, there is still a sense in many quarters of the media, online and elsewhere that the Navy ‘needs to send a gunboat’ and have ships abroad in far flung locales to represent the UK and be ready to ‘do stuff’.

Its this latter bit that is potentially challenging because the question is, what is it we want it to do? It is exceptionally unlikely that a lone RN vessel deployed, hypothetically, in the Indian Ocean is going to find itself needing to suddenly fight a high intensity peer level war. If a war were to break out then the ship is either going to need to regroup with allied forces, or its likely to be overwhelmed – either way, the chances of a single highly capable platform adding much value in isolation at the start of a war is probably slim.

At the same time there is strong value in having the white ensign flying proudly around the globe helping represent the UK. To the nations these ships visit it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a minesweeper or an aircraft carrier- the fact is that the UK has chosen to send the Royal Navy in to visit.

Presence and political intent is a capability all of its own, and it probably doesn’t matter if we send a minesweeper with a 30mm gun or a battlecruiser armed with hypersonic missiles – because the people we’re trying to influence are more interested in the signals the presence itself sends, not the particular weapons fit.

There is also the fact that much of the work that is likely to be done does not need particularly advanced sensors or capability. You don’t need a battery of anti-ship missiles to do a humanitarian aid operation, or long range anti-aircraft missiles to intercept pirates. What you do need are good logistical capabilities, aviation facilities and perhaps the ability to intercept, capture and house pirates securely. None of this calls for a huge cruiser sized platform to deliver.

At the same time you do need ships that can step up to escort the carriers, fight the AAW and ASW battle and send a potent message about the UK’s willingness to fight. These ships cost a lot of money, and if you deploy one out to the far east on its own, you make it much harder to bring back in time to join up with the rest of the task group.

This means that in practical terms the Royal Navy arguably has the force balance a bit off at the moment. It probably has too many highly capable ships that you either don’t want to deploy in isolation or which are getting very elderly and in need of extensive refits and updates.

At the same time there probably aren’t enough mid capability vessels to properly do the maritime constabulary roles that need to be done day in day out. Its all very well having a massively capable frigate do counter piracy, but it really is a bit of wasted resource.

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A better approach may be to shrink the highly capable force down to essentially enough ships to support the concept of a Task Group navy, able to operate around and protect the carrier / amphibious force, and not deploy in isolation. Pay off elderly Type 23s and use the crew savings to properly flesh out the crews of the residual ships and increase their availability for sea.

At the same time focus freed up resources onto buying some very simple ships that can go out and do much of the work that the RN needs doing daily. Essentially more RIVER class OPVs – cheap, simple and not intended or designed to go and fight but intended to go and maintain a presence. 

Continue the Type 31 purchase now because it will provide valuable capability in years to come, but recognise that what is needed as well is probably more very simple ships that can do a good job.
Arguably RN interests would be much better served if the force expanded to cover far more OPVs like the Batch 2 River class, which are essentially the size of a corvette, and are able to do defence engagement and low level tasks, maintaining a drumbeat of ship visits, training and exercising and helping keep international relations ticking over, than it is by a once every 3-4 year visit by a busy grey hull that almost as soon as it arrives is gone again.

This requires a mentality shift away from the sense that the purpose of the escort force is to scale up and fight WW3. This must not be lost, but perhaps this desire to be ready to go to sea and fight has damaged the RN by forcing it down a path where the 80% solution that we could have had lots of was sacrificed in favour of the 100% solution that was too expensive to buy enough of. This has led to good ships for WW3, but ones that are probably wasted on much of the maritime work that gets done on a day to day basis.

The wider advantage of buying more OPVs is simple – it prevents requirements creep from turning a light cheap frigate that isn’t survivable in a general war into a bloated design that isn’t survivable in war. There is a cultural blind spot that says that escort ships need to be able to fight and survive and that this drives their equipment and design. The risk with the Type 31 is that it is either employed as first rate frigate on its own in high threat zones, or that money that could be spent on new builds is spent on enhancing its lethality without asking if this is the right outcome for the ship in wartime.
The risk with mid capability platforms is that they will either be sent into places that they are not going to necessarily be able to go ‘toe to toe’ with the opposition in the expectation that ‘well it’s a frigate it will be fine’ or that people will want to spend time and money upgrading them to be a frigate that survives.

No similar expectations exist with OPVs – they do not exist to go to war in the same way, and this drives their design philosophy. One very good decision the RN has taken is not to up gun or make these designs too complex by adding missiles aplenty – this merely encourage delusions of survivability that probably won’t be fulfilled.

Perhaps what is needed is a mindset shift into the idea that there is nothing wrong with having lots of OPVs out there, cheap, simple and straightforward designs able to fly the flag and represent the RN. In the event of a crisis they either need to get out the way or get ready to be sunk.
The challenge at the moment is that the RN is very much fixated on trying to be a global navy, but doing so in a manner where it wants to be both cost effective and deliver the 100% solution for its fighting ships.

The reduction in the core escort force frees up money, it frees up people and it forces people to ruthlessly prioritise on the commitments that really matter. By freeing up resources, it helps solve funding challenges in the short and medium term.

Paying off 5-6 escorts would in the short term free up crew who could be used to plug gaps in the remaining ships, potentially increasing availability of full crews. It may in time permit reconsideration of whether an enhanced manning option (possibly crews at 130-50% of strength) could be used to keep ships operational for longer.



A difficult question to answer is whether it is more important to have 19 escorts in service which the RN is struggling to crew properly, or a force of 12-14 which it may have the ability to sort out the headcount for. What delivers better operational effect for the Navy, and what is more beneficial to our longer-term interests and goals?

The adoption of more OPVs would also make it easier to solve crew challenges – simpler ships requiring fewer complex systems means less reliance on highly skilled technical ratings, thus making it easier to properly crew them. The potential impact could be more ships at sea because they are not alongside due to lack of crew.

In the medium term the reconfiguration may provide more stability to branch career managers, able to appoint highly technically skilled ratings to escorts in the knowledge that they are less likely to be crash drafted to fill gaps elsewhere. It provides more certainty of base port location and more certainty that if they are on an overcrewed ship, that time at home and to take leave is likely.

Paradoxically a forward deployed OPV force going into smaller ports could act as a retention positive initiative for many sailors keen to see exotic locations. The chance to deploy abroad and have time to focus on these sorts of visits compared to the hectic life of a modern escort could be a good focus. The chance to do credible maritime security operations on a smaller ship provides a good draft alternative to punchy warfighting preparation on a bigger one.

There are challenges that need to be considered – how do you maintain the advanced UK defence electronic and other industries that need to be properly supported, where a  reduction in major work may lead to challenges? Likewise, how do you support the dockyards with workload to prevent skills fade?

Another challenge may be how to ensure that come the day, the RN has the ships available to deploy. The biggest risk here is that numbers reduce, but behaviours do not change and the ships continue to be run in a manner that causes retention problems and headcount challenges. To adopt this, the RN needs to be certain that in a crisis, if it is intending to generate an operational force of 6-8 escorts from a force of 14 (a not unrealistic target), that those ships can go to sea ready for war.

The arguments here may sound like heresy and will doubtless attract comments about needing more ships – in this matter Humphrey completely agrees. The Royal Navy does need more ships – but it also needs to get its people strategy right too, and there is little point in building more ships if there are no people to crew them.

A much longer-term perspective may be to take the hit now in the 5-10 year frame to stabilise the escort force, expand the OPV force to renew presence and then look to grow the escort force again in the late 2030s onwards.

This would help concentrate minds not only on what the next generation of destroyer was, but also how to merge in replacements for mine warfare vessels and survey ships too, and do so in a way that balances operational capability with the need for grey hulls at sea.

It takes years to grow the crews of a ship and you cannot just click your fingers and wish another half a dozen escort frigates into existence. What is needed is a long term approach that provides a measure of balance to hard pressed ships companies who are often tempted into leaving too early, while also maintaining a global naval presence.

The Dutch are perhaps a fantastic example of who to emulate in this regard. They have taken the decision to move to a force based on both a small number of very capable escort ships, coupled with a good number of mid-tier vessels that can meet much of the threat, but not all of it, and round this off with some specialised amphibious shipping and submarines too. They are also a globally deployed and focused navy, but seem to be able to work at both levels to capture the breadth of their interests.

Were the RN to take a similar two tier approach, then mindset shifts are needed, understanding that the presence of a white ensign matters more than the hull from which it flies. The challenge the RN perhaps has is that it is a globally focused navy, wanting to deploy on all the oceans of the world and be able to fight, but as numbers falls and commitments rise, this gets harder to do.

Taking the step to a two tier fleet will be emotionally hard for many, but may be the move that helps save the Royal Navys aspirations and return it to the globally focused, globally based role it so craves.




Comments

  1. As a rather non-expert observer, my concern is that the capability of the River Class is artificially constrained - not on sensible grounds of cost effectiveness - but to avoid competing with frigates for funding. They could easily be faster and armed with a 76 mm gun (like the Omani BAE Corvettes, or the related Brazilian vessels) without being 'bloated' or silly. Couldn't they?

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    1. Faster would be a tough ask as the governing fundamentals are all set at design and build: hull size, underwater form, engine power and propeller design. "Up gunning" is relatively straight forward though and the B2RCOPV would benefit, I believe, in at least having a "turreted" gun such as a 40mm or 57mm like the 31s - you have to look the part if nothing else

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    2. They are OK for the tasks required of them. As soon as you begin up-gunning they need larger crews and cost more to operate and maintain. This will then take scarce resources from somewhere else. Is this really worthwhile when they are intended for the patrol/constabulary role?

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    3. What does the 57/76mm gun let them do that the 30mm can't?

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    4. Lots, the current 30mm is very limited to what it can be effectively used for, basically small boats and helicopters, all within a two kilometre range. The 57 and 76 bring a whole number of options to the table. For starters, their effective ranges are more than double that of the 30mm gun. Both 57 and 76 weapon systems are effective against fast air targets such as missiles or aircraft. Both can use guided munitions to give a better chance of hitting targets. The 76 in particular can be used for naval gunfire support and has extended range munitions.

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    5. Uparming the Rivers is wasting money to fix an issue that does not exist. Trying to turn an OPV into something it is not will result in mission creep and placing ships in situations where they are out of their depth. If there is any spare money it should be spent on making the T31 as credible as possible, not on the Rivers.

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  2. Appreciate that TPL is still adopting the devil's advocate approach, though repeatedly posting with that preface would tend to 'endorse' the advocacy as more of personal belief. Ultimately, though, in my view it's still essentially the same old argument of a constantly reducing pelargic navy. Logical whilst threat levels are judged to be reducing, but perhaps not quite so much under what appears to be the current worldwide political trajectory. Depends what the UK sees as its role at base.
    Gavin Gordon

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  3. "To the nations these ships visit it doesn’t really matter whether it’s a minesweeper or an aircraft carrier- the fact is that the UK has chosen to send the Royal Navy in to visit."

    That's simply not true, and frankly very patronising. Partner nations value knowledge transfer and capability. They want to talk to the captain of a frigate and be impressed with tales of derring do in the gulf then cast their eye over the latest CAMM missile system or Wildcat helicopter that they're thinking of purchasing.

    The capability of the River class is frankly a joke even by OPV standards. They'd be outranged by Kornet ATGM that had fallen into the wrong hands. In terms of defence engagement it's better to send nothing than one of those upgunned fishing trawlers.

    And the strategic ta

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    1. The River Class OPV were procured as Fishery Protection Vessels: their "capability" is perfect for what they were intended to do.

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    2. You are correct Anonymous. The River class are intended as basic 'presence' vessels and as a result economical to crew, operate and maintain. As soon as the beefing-up begins they become a significantly more expensive proposition yet still unsuitable for combat roles. Better to keep them as bare bones vessels than waste money trying to turn them into something they are not.

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    3. The Floreal is Basic Presence Vessel. Long range, 4 inch DP main gun, 2 x 20mm, a permanently embarked helicopter and a couple of exocets.

      River Batch 2 in Uk service is neither fish nor fowl IMHO

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    4. I do not see the Floreals as being directly comparable with the Rivers. The Floreals are larger, more complex ships that fall somewhere between the Rivers and the T31 but closer to the latter. I understand that they cost ~£190 million per ship in today's money so again more expensive than the Rivers but cheaper than the T31. The D'Entrecasteaux is probably the nearest thing the French have to the Rivers.

      Given that the French Navy is going to have even fewer high-end escorts than the RN (2 Horizon + 8 Aquitaine = 10) there is more of an emphasis on cheaper, less capable ships for some roles. I would argue that the Floreals are more guilty of being neither fish nor fowl than the Rivers. They are not capable enough for frontline frigate roles yet overkill and too expensive for constabulary duties. It is clear what the Rivers are - cheap and simple ships for undemanding tasks.

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    5. The Floreals no longer have exocet.

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  4. Fair article that prompts thought as always Sir H. I think the only downside to the OPV argument is that if you want a ship with a reasonable aviation capability (say Wildcat or Merlin size a/c) then you are driven to a larger ship size (just physically for the hangar and flight deck but also to ensure you have suitable dynamic stability so that the flight deck isnt pitching, rolling and heaving all over the place). This would then drive you to a 23 sized vessel in practical terms

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  5. Fair comment. Just picking up on one point. The "stopping illegal immigrants" role is the responsibility of the Home Office and the UK Border Force. It's often forgotten about but does operate 5 reasonably sized Cutters....mostly built offshore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_customs_cutters_of_UK_Border_Force

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  6. In a shrinking sized navy, the capability to expand in the high end numbers will be lost for ever if cut further As will the skills needed. Focus on keeping what we have and growing the T31 taking over the patrol duties of anti piracy etc.

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  7. Will we ever get a 'devil's advocate' post criticising the government/MOD for cutting manpower, hulls or spending one wonders? Long-term readers would probably guess against. Instead the next cut is always presented as the only logical (temporary, ofc) response to the situation created by previous cuts. In this way capability is sliced and sliced and sliced and the Civil Service is able to congratulate itself on its clear-sighted and rational approach to spending and capability. This is part of the same approach that sees an MOD offical claiming that delaying spending on Protector and adding $187m to the cost increases the affordability of the program.

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  8. Similarly the Scottish fisheries compliance is enforced by Marine Scotland with three vessels and 2 aircraft. Scotland accounts for 60% of the fish landed in the UK. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Scotland

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  9. Who is this peer naval rival the post keeps referring to? The list of countries isn't infinite, so we can do some work to reduce the numbers. There's 200 odd states in the world, that's quite a lot, but most are irrelevant from a UK military perspective as they don't have a military or do have a military, but which is insignificant. So we lose ~140 countries. Then we look at which remaining countries are our allies. If we take NATO membership and defence treaty membership as a proxy for we aren't going to go to war with them, that loses another 40.
    Then we are left with countries which do have significant military and could be hostile to our interests, at this point I would suggest we are going to look at our self interest and decide we won't choose to fight a war with a nuclear armed state unless we consider it an existential matter, as in the UK could be invaded or militarily defeated. So that kicks out a further half dozen states. So who does that leave us with? Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Bangladesh, Burma, South Korea, Japan, Morocco, South Africa, Indonesia, Ethiopia, Ukraine, Belarus and finally, because of the ability to pose a military threat to our home, Russia.
    If we sort through that list there are some where we have excellent relations, SA, SK, Japan and Chile for example, so we can put those as unlikely to fight. The remaining list is generally of small military size and medium capability. For the countries which are close to the UK, three have coasts on the Mediterranean sea, where we have the use of UK facilities in Gibraltar and Cyprus, for air warfare, so minimising the need for a grand fleet. The next two are Belarus and Ukraine, which are landlocked or restricted access to the sea, so warships would be of marginal benefit. The remaining list we can deal with by either making friends with because we have few arguments with, for example Brazil, UAE, Saudi and Bangladesh, or we choose to have small dealings with, for example Colombia, Burma and Venezuela. That leaves our peer naval group as Argentina, Iran and Russia. If we accept, and I do, that Russia is countered in a military sense by our nuclear deterrent then that leaves Argentina and Iran. So our justification for a high capability escort force is to fight 2 countries. Is maintaining a fleet to surge to ~20 escorts a sensible use of resources? Let's look at the Argentine military.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Argentine_Republic
    A generous assessment would be that they are a shadow of the force which fought in 1982. A garrison force in the Falklands would seem sufficient to counter any threat.
    Now Iran,
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
    A large and relatively capable force which has recent war fighting experience and has demonstrated a willingness to suffer casualties to achieve it's objective. We have a dependency on energy imports from the Middle East and have terrible relations. But a quick look at the map shows that in order to have a sufficient stand off distance to protect our forces we would have to fly over countries which house US and friendly forces airbases. It raises the question why bother to do that rather than use the air bases?
    The justification for a large high end escort force seems weak, the possibility they could be used as designed is small. Another way of looking at it is this, if at the end of the cold war we reduced the fleet to 6 ASW and 6 AAW, then spent the saving on OPVs, where would we have been unable to conduct an operation?

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    1. You seem to have missed rather a large country there.

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    2. If you are referring to China, pretty sure that was covered - "I would suggest we are going to look at our self interest and decide we won't choose to fight a war with a nuclear armed state unless we consider it an existential matter"

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    3. So if China finally decides the time is right to take Taiwan, do we just let them? What if they decide they need more land and resources for their 1.6 billion population and start looking at Australia, what would you have us do? How about North Korea, if they decide to take out Japan, before going south, should we just let them?

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    4. I think you already know the answer to this one. In the case of Taiwan, show me one UK politician of any party who is willing to see the deaths of tens of thousands of service personnel in what the Chinese consider an internal matter for no UK benefit. Add in the fact we can't win such a war because China will resort to nuclear weapons if it perceives it's losing, I doubt a military commander would even suggest such an option.
      I don't think you understand strategy if you think China wants
      to pursue a war of expansion into Australia. China has bought Australian land, resources and everything else it wants. Why bother fighting for something at huge cost when they willingly sell it to you at little more than cost? If you visit China then you will appreciate that land is one thing they are not running out of, Xinjiang is mind bendingly huge and empty, with much of the resources that you imply China would travel thousands of miles in amphibious ships (which haven't been built yet) to conquer.
      I genuinely have no idea what you mean by North Korea 'taking out' Japan, do you mean launch a surprise nuclear attack? If so, then what are we going to do post the attack? I'm speculating at what you mean so I'll stop.

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  10. When are MOD main building going to contruct the article for giving the military the funding they need? In the interests of balance and all that. Constantly cutting the size of the military in successive SDSRs for 30 years is not good enough

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  11. Thank you, could you apply the same thinking to re-defining the Nuclear deterrent for a post cold war era. Nor 'hair trigger' targets since 1994 suggests co-operation with US and France might be possible. At least get a full military threat assessment is needed. Russian population is falling and aging. RN got it down to 8 missiles, 24-40 warheads. Warheads (PITS) good for another 100 years. No need for MNSA (£1.8bn) at Aldermaston. Creates more options.

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  12. One serious problem with such a reduction is its effect on the RN's resilience to attrition. With only a limited number of war-fighting hulls we would be vulnerable to the loss of a small number.

    As for the vision of a fleet of lightly-armed OPVs showing the flag around the world: for all that numbers have a quality of their own, sooner or later people would notice the Emporer's skimpy clothing. Perception matters.

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    1. An alternative is you cut crew numbers even more strongly for the escort fleet and purchase more vessels, on the basis that they get rotated through a mothballed status on a regular basis.
      If we talk about perception, then whose? Most politicians can't identify a tank at ten paces, so an OPV looks like a frigate as far as they and the general public are concerned.

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    2. Submarines are the biggest killer, as set out in Jonathan Dimbleby book Battle for the Atlantic ' Though a land lubber my self. In fact a tree surgeon!
      My son is in the sea cadets. My great uncle survived the sinking of the Ark Royal aircraft carrier. He proudly reminded me before he died only one man died. Sadly not so for all the other merchant and RN vessels. Very vulnerable times.

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    3. Perception depends upon more than just the asset deployed, i.e. the on-paper capabilty of the visible presence. The main question is: 'Does my opponent have the will and the means to act?' A good example is HMS Endurance in the Falklands. A lightly armed ship such as Endurance could not (and in the event did not) prevent the invasion.

      Argentina invaded at that time for its own internal reasons and because the Junta believed the UK lacked the will and the means to act. Nothing short of a pernanently deployed RN task group, let alone Endurance on her own, could have physically stopped the invasion. This was clearly out of the question.

      However, the planned withdrawal of Endurance along with various diplomatic factors sent very much the wrong message. This resulted in the Junta putting two and two together and making five. In other words, the UK had lost interest in the Falklands and would probably not respond to an invasion. Worth the risk then from the Junta's perspective in a desperate attempt to save their crumbling regime. An asset such as a permanently deployed OPV can be more significant than it appears to be.

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  13. I would keep a couple of frigates to help monitoring the seas for CASD. 6 should do with 8 crews. Scrap the rest. Some MCM vessels to make sure SSBN and SSN's can reach the sea. Buy say extra MPA, 6 should do. And scrap everything else. Carries, T45, T31 buy, the LPD's, all the RFA. Privatise hydrography. I would up the number of patrol asests though I would scrap the Rivers. 6 x 1000 tonners and some 500t should do. Beef up RAF QRA but privatise all support. And reduce the Army to a mainly infranty force whose main purpose is to generate SF soldiers say 15,000 or so . And then just retreat from the world. Europe is a back water now. Australia does OK with 60,000 all in.

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  14. It is funny. Humphrey again trotting out the Main Building line as reason while trying to say he is unbiased.

    All I see around the world is others re-arming especially in the naval surface.


    If you follow UK defence long enough you will see a pattern emerge where those connected to the MoD or serving high up will make try to make a virtue out of cuts. That we are so clever. The rest of the world does one thing, but the clever UK goes its own way. When all that happens is that capabilities are cut and sliced up to the point of being ineffective. Why?An Army and RAF dominated MoD? An obsession with Europe? We are on the American's side so don't need to do this or that?

    The hull in the water is the fundamental of naval warfare still. You have to be at sea to be in the game. Today that means for a First World country having a hull that has combat capability in all sphere, above water, sub-surface, and electronic. In a way the RN is already down to 12 escorts because T45 is just a vehicle for SeaViper.

    We might as well sponsor Burkes for the USN and offer to man them.....


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    1. This. A hundred times this.

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    2. Steve: The only countries I can see rearming their navy in any significant way over the past decade is China and the US, with the US struggling to get numbers up. Russia is down, European navies are down, South American navies are down, African navies are down, East Asian navies are a small up.
      Globally in defence expenditure there's one giant, then the rest, that hasn't changed much since 1989, except for China.
      I'm not sure the 'hull in the water is fundamental' argument was true in 1942 let alone 2020. The idea that one vessel has to do surface, subsurface and anti air is a nonsense, it's never been done that way, because it would result in a horrifically compromised design. The only designs I can think of which even come close are poor in a least one area (Sejong the great for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_the_Great-class_destroyer).
      We have been without a high end enemy to fight since the end of the cold war yet we've introduced class after class of high capability escorts at extraordinary cost. Escorts are the breeding ground of the admirals so it's not surprising to see they have been spared the needed cuts long after their rationale has gone.

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    3. The hull in the water is everything. If you don't see understand you don't understand naval warfare.

      If you think nobody is buying new ships you need to look a bit harder.

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    4. I think you don't understand naval warfare. You might want reflect that when the naval staff saw the development of the new Sverdlov class cruisers they asked for development of what was to become the Blackburn Buccaneer rather than a new naval vessel. That was in the early 1950s.
      I didn't say no one was buying new ships, I said that naval force levels were flat across large parts of world, with the exception of China, US and partially east Asia. That's a very different statement.

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    5. On the contrary I do understand the point that platforms for naval warfare don't have to be ships. For example I think the aviation facilities on the incoming T26 are too modest and ill thought out. T26 should be designed carrying 3 Merlin with ease with space for two large Fire Scout like drones. The Merlin, the Flying Frigate, should be the corner stone of our ASW force. If war ever appears on the horizon it will be easier to build 'ASW helicopters' than ships. And that is where you are missing the point. 99% per cent of the time we are not at war and in war the ship does more than its core role. Ships have inherently high utility both in war and peace. Unlike a fighter plane and unlike say a infantry battalion. A warship is self deployable as it is self contained. And that is true today in the 2020's at it was in the 1950's, the 1900's, or the 1850's.

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    6. How could we forget the 'high utility' of all the frigates in Helmand.....

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  15. There are a couple of possible approaches to resolving the headcount issue. I gather the navy has belatedly relaxed the restrictions on recruiting non-resident Commonwealth nationals, which gives a potential recruiting pool of ~2 billion people. The other approach is to focus on relatively expendable 'drone ships' (an active area of research for the USN). Automating systems to reduce crew numbers in manned vessels is do-able up to a point, but limited by the need for damage control. In terms of having a 'high-low mix' force, the required balance depends on the nature of the demands on the service. Assuming the need in a 'worst case' scenario to deploy say two QE-based strike groups, or a QE and an amphibious group, in high threat environments, you're probably looking at a need for 2 x DDG per strike group and as many frigates, giving a total of 8 surface combatants ready for deployment, which (as the author notes) is just about do-able from a force of 14, although with no reserves available to cover losses (which, given the likely rate of attrition on all sides in WW3 might not matter). How many 'low' vessels are required depends on how many 'constabulary' type deployments the navy needs to undertake. Probably about half a dozen- necessitating maybe another 12 less capable vessels.

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    1. Thanks to Brexit we now have approaching three million EU citizens with "settled status" which is basically Infdefinite Leave to Remain ie citizenship in all but name.

      Many are youngish Polish blokes with good trade skills and no love of Russia I'd have thought that a bit of targeted recruitment by HM Armed Forces may yield dividends.

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  16. The Navy has already made this compromise with the type 31 program. Effectively accepting that many tasks can be carried out by a less capable vessel than a top tier escort. Less than 20 years ago, they were planning for the two carriers to have a pool of 25 top tier escorts to support them and cover any other priorities.

    The 6 type 45s and 8 type 26s will basically mean we'll be lucky to have five active at a time. Those would be limited to sustaining the carrier strike group, and a couple of key NATO commitments (like chasing Russian subs round the North Atlantic, or taking our turn to act as flagship of NATO task-forces in the Black/Baltic seas.)

    If Britain also wants to have ships it can deploy around the world more flexibly, then the type 31s are already a reasonable compromise between price, and capability. Building more of them would probably be the best way to grow the reach of the Royal Navy relatively affordably. They are kind of in the spirit of our carriers, able to fulfil all the basic roles of a escort, at a fraction of what the US pays for the same capabilities.

    The River class ships are perfectly fine for policing waters close to home or hunting smugglers. What they would not be, is any reassurance to an ally concerned about hostility from another state or a deterrent against a potentially hostile state.

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  17. The problem of having what is in effect a two tier Navy, is that in time of war, half your force is ineffective. When you start to loose hulls through battle, there will be nothing to replace them.

    The River class batch 2s are a good ship, admittedly under armed, but at small cost they could easily be up-armed to provide a better ship, at least to a entry level corvette. There is scope for a pair of iso containers to be fitted either side of the crane. These could be used to house a UAV VTOL drone such as the Schiebel S100 mini-helicopter. This little drone has proven effective for maritime surveillance, but also for limited light attack. The Bofors 57mm would be a very good option, as it can provide anti-air protection. As the Thais have done with theirs, by mounting a pair of DS30s either side of the bridge, boosts the ships fire power. However, they have also enquired about the Marlett fit. This would involve adding a magazine of 5 Martlets to the DS30 mount to further enhance fire power. The addition of canister launched Brimestone, Spear 3 or Sea Venom, would also significantly increase the ship's fire power and flexibility. The design of the ship would only lend itself to above water roles, unless you want to lose the helipad.

    It is the Type 31 where we must hedge our bets to fill positions within a task group and not just make up the numbers. Sensibly, the Admiralty went for the larger sized hulled that was being proposed. They insisted that the ship have a role bay where Isos and role specific equipment can be housed. Unless its hidden in the small print, the ship will unlikely come with rafted engines etc, necessary for sub-hunting. However, the role bay will allow the ship to house unmanned underwater drones. These operated from the "Mothership", will give it the sub-hunting capability. The hanger is being designed so it can house a Merlin or a pair of Wildcats. Again a sensible option which would allow the ship the ability with a Merlin to prosecute sub threats.
    Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the ship will come with a gun suitable for NGFS, as it looks like the ship is being fitted out for anti-piracy and convoy protection i.e. lots of smaller calibre auto-canons. Thankfully it will be getting SeaCeptor and a new radar in the Thales NS200 AESA system. This will allow it to not only defend itself but also local shipping its earmarked to protect. The ship has plenty of spare space to double the magazine of the SeaCeptor launchers, but has spaces earmarked for MK41 VLS Cells. This is crucially important for future growth. Even if the ship is designed as fitted for but not with, still gives the option of adding these system when required. Granted, the ship, if involved in a crisis, must fight with what it is equipped with. It gives us the the ability to a least have a hull that can easily upgraded to replace lost hulls. So in a shortish amount of time the T31 could be upgraded to replace a T26 in the sub-hunting role, perhaps not quite as effective, but better than nothing. It's the role of the T45 which is the hardest to replace. It would need a lot of work to reconfigure the ship with the necessary two radar fit and the Sylver VLS cells. It would probably be too costly to have the wiring pre-installed, but it could be done, which would at least give us the option of upgrading the ship if required.



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    1. Who is it that we are fighting this long running war with that gives us sufficient time to up gun all the ships we have? Unless you can answer this fundamental question, then all the rest is fantasy fleet.

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    2. Yes DaveyB goes off the deep end at points, but a cursory scan of public intentions for the various new ships for the navy show that the addition of UUVs, UAVs, and sea ceptor would hardly be "fantasy fleet".

      By way of example, see here (p.24 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/645149/T31e_RFI.pdf). An aspiration? Yes. An impossibility? Right now no.

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    3. I apologise, I wasn't being clear with my comment, I wasn't saying the technology didn't exist/ wasn't a viable proposal, I was meaning that unless we have a definite requirement then the talking about possibilities was pointless. If there is a definite requirement then the systems you mention may very well be of use. My challenge to these proposals that we need 'x number of ships with y weapons systems' is where are the requirements? It's easy to say China is a potential threat but is there any appetite at the political level to get into a war in East Asia with them? If there isn't, then why should we build a fleet to do it?

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    4. I in turn apologise for being somewhat contrarian.

      If we imagine what a future "war" would be like, the closest analogy I can think of is unmarked Chinese drones being sneaked onto the Japanese mainland to implant whatever anti-business viruses cannot be done through conventional internet-means (in such a way that is deniable by the Chinese government). Japanese drones would thus have to be sent out to "politely meet them" as we do now when we intercept Russian and Chinese flights buzzing NATO and Japanese airspace. No exchange of missile fire, just lots of manouvering and plausible deniability. There are ALOT of caveats with that view, but I would not be surprised if it sporadically occurred in some form, which is why I think we should cautiously and carefully invest in drone warfare.

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    5. I think you raise a good point about the 'grey zone' of state on state conflict. China has been investing a great deal of resources in the maritime militia, something which we don't really have an answer to. Our military way of thinking tends towards the binary, we have a declaration of war, or we are at peace. The Chinese, and the Russians, have been forced by their weaker positions to expand their menu of options to achieve their goals. This has a technology element to it, but really we need to think about our way of war (or more accurately our way of less than war) and what we as an open, democratic society are willing to sanction.

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