Tanks for nothing - Why it does not matter if the British Army has fewer tanks than Cambodia.
The Times published an
article last week focusing on the fact that under current MOD plans, the
British Army will reduce its holdings of Challenger 2 (CR2) tanks from 227 to
roughly 150 tanks.
This will give the UK a total tank fleet that ranks 56th
in the world, down from the current position of 48th (according to
the IISS), giving it a force smaller than that of Burma, Cambodia or Serbia.
Is this reduction a sign that the British Army is now outgunned and unable to pose a credible military threat, or is it a pragmatic investment decision intended to keep the Army at the very front of global capability?
This article is intended to focus on the wider discussion
around capability. It is emphatically not an article on technical details about
the CR2 or wider tanks. Humphrey does not possess anywhere near enough
experience to comment knowledgeably on the technical parameters of tanks. In
these circumstances he would strongly recommend following highly experienced
analysts like Nicholas Drummond,
or accessing the commercial research at defence publishers such as Shepard
Media. With that caveat in place, it is safe to proceed!
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CR2 Livefiring- Image by Ministry of Defence; © Crown copyright |
The Main Battle Tank (MBT) remains one of the most
formidable components of any nations army, capable of advancing at speed,
providing superb firepower and support to other teeth arms, or providing
defensive support, the tank has been the centrepiece of most nations army’s
ORBATS for decades.
Since WW2 the UK developed its armoured capability primarily
as a deterrence against Russia. The presence in Germany of 3-4 armoured
divisions as part of the British Army of the Rhine (BAOR), intended to be capable
of stopping a Warsaw Pact offensive operation was a powerful symbol of British
commitment to NATO. Throughout the Cold War period, roughly one third of the
British Army was permanently based in Germany and the Low Countries ready to
deploy at very short notice if called out on ‘Active Edge’.
More widely the UK deployed its armour in varying levels of
commitment to Korea, Suez, the 1991 Gulf War, the Balkans and OP TELIC. The
size of the force deployed varied from a small handful of tanks through to an
entire armoured division. But, one constant though throughout this was that the
UK has never deployed its MBT fleet in a purely national operation – the MBT
force has always been used as part of a contribution to a wider coalition
operation.
Under the 2015
Strategic Defence and Security Review the UK set out the aspiration of
being able to sustain a brigade on operations on an enduring basis, or with
sufficient notice, be able to deploy a Division sized force to participate in
operations. The current plan under Army 2020 is for there to be three regiments
of MBTs as part of the wider ‘Strike Brigade’ concept.
The sole UK MBT in service is the Challenger 2, which
entered service in 1994 and is now, while still a capable unit, beginning to
show its age. The MOD has budgeted
approximately £700m to upgrade the force to keep it relevant and future proofed
well into the 2030s, and possibly beyond. This longevity is not unusual in MBT
fleets – the German Leopard 2 design dates back to the 1970s and the initial M1
Abrams entered service in 1980.
Given all this, what exactly is the issue that people are
concerned about, and does it matter? In practical terms the phrase ‘rankings’
is a meaningless concept – beloved of think tanks but in practical terms of
little direct relevance to modern military operations and capability Counting
the number of tanks a nation possesses and then determining its military
standing from it is a singularly odd way to ascertain a national ability to
wage war on others.
Some nations possess very large numbers of tanks indeed
- others barely any. Russia, China and
North Korea are some of the worlds largest tank fleet operators, with thousands
of tanks listed on their order of battle. Russia is a nation built for tank
warfare – large open borders, and endless steppes that have over the last
century played host to some of the biggest armoured battles ever seen. Having
visited the Kursk salient many years ago, Humphrey can personally attest to the
sheer size of the Eastern Front, and how a militarized society can make good
use of armour.
Russia also benefits from an outstanding rail network able
to quickly move tanks and other heavy elements of military power such as APCs
and self-propelled guns around easily, and has the space and reserves of
conscript manpower from previous generations to draw on to crew its simple but
effective designs, such as the T64 and T72.
This is underpinned by a national philosophy which is best
summed up as ‘don’t throw away any military asset that, no matter how old it
is, could be used to kill an invader’. There are storehouses across Russia full
of elderly tanks that with a bit of TLC could, probably function as a last gasp
capability. Russia regularly exercises its armoured capability, mobilising
forces and moving them around the country to test readiness against the
theoretical threat of a NATO invasion.
Russia then is a nation intended for operating tanks, but
only when supported by a logistics chain that can support the front. Start
moving away from the Russian landmass and their ability to sustain a force at
any distances is quickly called into doubt. While Russia may ‘rank’ as the largest
tank operator in the world, much of this is only a threat to any nation foolish
enough to invade Russia in the first place.
For many of the countries on the list though, it may be
sensible to ask when you see statistics listing hundreds of tanks in service,
how many of them are operational and how many are credible threats if they were
a foe? For example many of the Gulf nations have extremely large holdings of
tanks, buying them in significant quantities with scant regard for
interoperability – for example some nations operate both US and Russian
equipment, which are not renowned for working well together.
Some of these nations are high on starred officers, and low
on working level manpower and track mileage. It is reasonable to assume that a
great many of the vehicles held have not really been operated as part of a
formed military unit, but instead form the physical part of an insurance deal
designed to secure external support in an emergency from Western partners (e.g.
buy enough equipment to ensure that someone wants to come and help in a
crisis).
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African Tank Graveyard |
Other nations may have both elderly and poorly maintained
tanks that are of little practical operational threat. One only has to look at
armies in places like Africa to see theoretical ORBATs suggesting the existence
of hundreds of tanks, when on the ground the reality is that many of these
vehicles are either no longer working or perhaps no longer exist. Just because
a trail of papers suggests that X years ago a country purchased 200 tanks does
not mean that it necessarily has 200 operational tanks today. In some cases the
answer could be closer to zero.
The other question that matters here is ‘who are these tanks
intended to fight against’? China and the DPRK have exceptionally large
holdings of tanks in part due to either clear perceived threats, or in part due
to large borders that are threatened by nations with armoured capabilities. It
makes perfect sense to have hundreds of tanks deployed on a border against a
potential foe who may use them against you.
For the UK though, there is no similar sense of direct
threat requiring large numbers of tanks to be held in service. At the risk of
stating the obvious, as an island nation there is no nation on earth with the
capability to conduct an amphibious landing into the UK which could put MBTs
ashore in enough numbers as to pose an existential threat to the Kingdom.
During the Cold War there was a clear threat in the form of
the Soviet 3rd Shock Army, which was lined up, facing off against
BAOR units. It made an enormous amount of sense to contribute to a NATO
operation to deter Moscow from chancing their luck, and ensure that they could
not force the border and take over Western Germany.
To that end generations of British soldiers were stationed
there training for a war that they hoped would never come. To this day there
are still serving Cold War veterans who even into the late 1980s knew where
they would deploy to, and the likely exact spot in the field or woods where
they would dig their trenches and realistically be killed.
This force though was essentially a static one, designed to
operate defensively and underpinned by an enormous static logistical and
support network stretching from the Inner German Border all the way back to
Antwerp and then the UK. The British Army was able to sustain armour in large
numbers in part because it had the threat to face, the space to operate and the
support network in place to enable this to occur. To this day the subject of
how well supported BAOR was through the extensive rear communications zone
efforts, and the widespread workshops (such as in Belgium) designed to repair
and support UK units is not widely known or told, but deserves much great
recognition.
This matters because when people look back to the size of the
British Army in 1990 and look at how many tanks we had then compared to now,
they forget that the Army’s MBT capability was essentially a static garrison
force waiting to conduct a defensive campaign against a peer threat where it
expected to take heavy losses and probably operate very quickly in an NBC
environment. It was not intended to be a deployable force capable of operating
across the planet on an enduring basis.
This is why when people talk about how many tanks were
deployed in 1991 to the Gulf War (some 220 Challenger 1’s were deployed) they
forget that this was the first time since Suez that the UK had operated heavy
armour overseas. It took many months to get this force into place, and it came
at the cost of gutting the operational capability of the remaining BAOR units,
who found their logistical support chains hammered in order to support the
forces assigned to GRANBY.
The harsh, and perhaps slightly uncomfortable reality for
the UK is that OP GRANBY required nearly 6 months of build up at the cost of
gutting wider armoured warfare capability – proving that away from home, having
900 tanks is irrelevant if you are operating outside normal parameters and are
having to effectively cannibalise or mothball most of them to keep 220 in the
Gulf.
By contrast OP TELIC saw over 100 tanks deployed, but a significantly
shorter lead in time for the deployment – testament to the significant
investments made in the intervening period in logistical capabilities.
Under current plans while the Army may ‘only’ have around 150
modernised tanks, it will be able in a crisis to deploy the bulk of them again
if required as part of the commitment to a deployable Division. It is better to
look at the bigger picture and note that while there may be a smaller number of
tanks overall in service, the numbers that can be deployed have remained
relatively constant throughout this time.
The next issue to consider is the age-old question of quality
versus quantity. It may be appealing to some people to have hundreds of tanks
listed on your national order of battle, but if these are older tanks with
lower capability and less able to operate in complex situations, or with
coalition partners, then is this a help or a hindrance?
The UK is clear that it sees future large-scale military
operations as a coalition affair, and that any contribution will involve UK
forces working alongside other nations. Realistically, given that the UK has no
real ability (or need) to launch an isolated amphibious assault against another
country featuring tanks, any future major operation will involve working with,
at the very least, host nation support.
The reality is that in these circumstances, is the UK a more
useful partner nation if it can provide a modern force that can work alongside
others, or a more dated (but numerically larger) force that is unable to keep
up with other nations? At present part of the real appeal of the British Armed
Forces to peer nations is their ability to work as part of a coalition. In both
GW1 and 2 the UK was able to work as an integrated part of US efforts in an almost
seamless manner.
In part this is due to the fact that the UK has chosen to
invest in quality, not mass, and that its assets can deploy as a ‘day one’ peer
alongside the US. This gives the UK the ability to influence US planning and operational
decisions because they will be in the fight alongside each other. If the UK
were to save cash by scrimping on upgrades to buy back mass, would this
necessarily continue?
Right now a force of 150 tanks continues to help secure the
UK position as a ‘day one’ partner of choice in a conflict. Given this force
will be able to deploy roughly the same number of units as previous major
conflicts, is it worth risking the wider benefits from a close operational partnership
to have more (not necessarily deployable) tanks on the books?
The wider issue too is that tank numbers are just one part of
the overall challenge. Tanks are an extremely effective tool to carry out
military operations, but they also require a lot of support. One of the reasons
why the UK continues to possess some of the worlds most capable armed forces is
because of the decision to prioritise investment in areas like logistics, communications
and other tail support – even at the cost of the ‘teeth’.
Investing in more tanks does not mean the UK magically becomes
a more effective military power feared by its enemies overnight. Rather more
tanks places pressure on the existing supply chain and associated engineering
and support detachments from the REME and RLC.
Reading comments on this issue, you often see people casually
throwing around numbers of tanks saying ‘oh 150 isn’t enough, we need at least
250 to be effective’ but then ignoring the many questions around how this would
be supported or operated. It is important to not see tank numbers in isolation –
an uplift only makes sense if you are investing much more widely to buy capability,
able to deploy a coherent force rather than just one part of it. This is
significantly more expensive, and would require a major change to plans for
both equipment, and more critically, numbers of people.
Looking to the future, it is worth asking what role the tank
has in UK defence planning and whether it continues to be worth the investment
or not. For decades the British Army relied on tanks as the very heart of their
deterrence posture – knowing that the existence of multiple armoured divisions
in Germany presented a clear problem for Russia, who would need to tackle them.
This in turn made for a clear case for investing in large numbers of tanks, and
the associated permanent infrastructure to house and support them.
In the 21st Century the role of tanks is subtly
different. The existence of the CR2 provides planners with a number of options
for operations. It can deploy in small forces optimised for supporting troops
in the complex world of operations like TELIC and HERRICK – in those
circumstances the existence of heavy armour can be invaluable in countering certain
threats, or deterring potential aggressors. The role of the CR2 detachments on OP
TELIC, particularly in its later years are a good example of this.
Alternatively
heavy armour remains a great ‘kick the door in’ capability in the form of a
deployable division to help support coalition operations – such as TELIC or the
Balkans.
The former role does not require many tanks to be effective –
only a relatively small batch of CR2s were converted for operations in the
latter parts of TELIC (sometimes, apparently, called informally the ‘streetfighter’
variant), and this deployment was easily sustainable from the existing force,
and would continues to be so even under existing force plans.
By contrast the requirement for a globally deployable
division is something that would stretch the Army considerably. It would
require the bulk of available forces to be deployed, and if done would probably
disrupt the Army deployment plot for years to follow as a result due to the
need to refocus a significant amount of units on a new task.
This sort of capability would realistically take some months
to deploy, and also place pressure on the existing logistics and support force,
which is structured to sustain two ‘strike’ brigades. Calls for more tanks may
sound sensible, but the wider underpinning logistical numbers are not in place
to sustain or repair them – in other words they would form an unsupportable
force that could not deploy, or realistically operate without considerable
wider uplifts across the Army as a whole – which would cost a significant
amount of money.
The value of the deployable division is that it demonstrates
a clear symbol of UK government commitment to resolving an issue – it is the steel
fist at the heart of the wider glove of British power. A potential foe knows
that if the UK is deploying this capability, it is serious about resolving a
situation because it represents a ‘one use only’ force that cannot be replaced ‘in
situ’ by another equivalent force. In these circumstances, it is again difficult
to see the need for large numbers of additional MBTs outside of those attached
to the Division because there is no means or ability to deploy them.
Consequently, while 150 tanks may sound low to some, it realistically
represents a sensible compromise between the requirement to support small scale
deployments and the ability to do a ‘one off’ big deployment.
While some people may not be happy that the number feels
low, a better question to ask is how many of the nations in the rankings, how
many can deploy a division anywhere in the world and operate it as part of an
integrated force with the US in a coalition operation? Realistically the UK and
US are the only nations that could deploy and sustain a division out there – saying
the UK has less tanks than Cambodia is only an issue if the UK were taking
decisions to cut capabilities that Cambodia is acquiring.
Too many people assume that numbers equate to capability –
they do not. The UK has taken a pragmatic view that quality matters more than
mass overall for defence planning purposes. It makes far more sense to invest
heavily in a smaller number of good assets than spread the money across lots of
less useful platforms. The nations that routinely rank higher with vast numbers
of tanks are rarely ones that are global players.
It is also worth noting that many nations who aspire to work
at the higher end of military operations have significantly reduced their MBT
holdings in recent years –France, Spain and Germany now only have around 3-400
tanks, and also lack the ability to deploy them in large numbers. The trend is
increasingly towards maintaining a relatively small core of tanks, supported by
a more widely deployable medium range suite of vehicles.
This lack of deployability is perhaps the biggest restraint
in effective use of tanks, primarily because they take so long to get anywhere.
The most recent overseas exercise involving CR2 was in Oman, for Saif Sarrea 3,
which represented the first time in years that the UK had deployed armour into
the Middle East.
The sheer level of footprint required for exercising heavy armour
is such that it is not terribly useful as a means of defence engagement. Unlike
a warship which can ramp up and down defence activity very quickly, going from
an exercise one day to steaming into contested waters a few days later, the heavy
armour force requires a lot of time, effort and strategic sealift capability to
move anywhere outside of Europe. In an era of global presence and engagement,
MBTs are less valuable than many other tools available to the Army – much like
the VANGUARD class of SSBN, the MBT is primarily a tool of ultimate deterrence,
not a practical force for day to day engagement and exercising globally.
One of the main arguments for a larger holding of tanks is
the mass required to absorb casualties against a peer level threat. This
usually takes the form of a debate about how to protect the Baltic states from
Russian aggression and whether the UK could do anything about it with an
armoured force if Russia attacked, and how could we cope if heavy casualties
were incurred?
It is first important to note that against most opponents
the modern British MBT remains a highly survivable asset – since WW2 ended, Humphrey
estimates a total of 7 British MBTs have been damaged or destroyed in combat. 5
in Korea (most of which returned to service), one CR2 was heavily damaged in
Iraq (taking multiple RPG hits prior to eventually being penetrated) and CR2 was
destroyed in a dreadful ‘friendly fire’ incident. Against this, the tally of destroyed enemy
armour is considerable – for instance over 300 Iraqi tanks destroyed without
loss in OP GRANBY.
In the event of a ground combat with a peer enemy then there
is definitely a risk of taking higher casualties. But the wider scenario of
facing off against this sort of threat in the current structures is unlikely –
the UK does not maintain large forces in the Baltic, and any invasion would
risk triggering Article 5, bringing NATO into direct conflict with Russia- a war
that would potentially quickly escalate into dangerous areas.
Facing off against this sort of highly specific threat requires
an entirely different force posture built around deploying armour and other
defensive capabilities long term in the Baltic in a manner similar to the BAOR
of old. The reality is that any invasion there is likely to be over long before
a large-scale division could reach the scene in a formed manner to defend the
Baltics.
More widely, the loss of so many tanks in one campaign would
be reflective of a much bloodier conflict against a peer threat. Do we as a
nation wish to shift our defence posture and policy to prepare for this
scenario, investing more heavily in the Army as a result, or is it better to
assume that such an outcome is highly unlikely and continue to invest in armour
as a fundamentally deployable capability in a different manner?
This is not to say that mass doesn’t matter, or that
casualties are not likely – there is always a risk of casualties. But, what
matters more than tank numbers are tank crew numbers – it doesn’t matter how
many tanks you have if you don’t have enough crews, or supporting enablers to
get them back into action quickly. More to the point, if we are preparing for
another war with Russia where we expect to take casualties of this magnitude,
what is the point where we stop and ask ourselves where the escalation
threshold is?
Does it make sense to bring large conventional forces into
the fore again, or do we have to assume that conventional deterrence in the
Baltic will only work if backed up by tactical nuclear capability? There is a
real risk of starting down a path of justifying heavy armour for the Army that
ends up with a reconfiguration back to the policy and posture of the late 1980s
of a force designed to hold off an invasion long enough for the nuclear weapons
to be launched. This is not somewhere any sane planner wants to go to.
It is also worth noting that in terms of pure capability,
the Army of today is vastly different from the one of 1990 – the Gulf War was
fought with different artillery, ISTAR and aviation assets supporting the
armoured forces. Today's Army has a vast range of new capabilities such as
Apache helicopters armed with hellfire missiles, or the astonishingly capable
Brimstone missile mounted on Typhoon jets to handle many of the threats that previously
required a tank to solve. Just because the means of handling the problem have
changed does not mean our ability to fix it hasn’t gone away.
There has been a significant investment in new equipment, such
as a new generation of Apache helicopters ordered recently, or the introduction
to service of Javelin missiles, that continue to enhance wider lethality. When
coupled with the major investment in areas like strategic airlift and shipping,
and the wider investment in logistics and other enablers, it is clear that the
British Army remains one of the most deployable forces in the world.
Defence policy is about doing the most you can with the
budget available to you. The MOD has a very generous budget settlement, but it
needs to ruthlessly prioritise this against a range of requirements. Calls to
buy more upgraded tanks not only place pressure on the system but would mean
deprioritising something else instead. A good question to ask is what should be
sacrificed in order to keep the Army at 227 CR2 and is this a price worth
paying relative to the likely operational gains? Given the Army is in control
of its equipment budget, this is a decision that the Generals, and not the politicians,
can make – that they have chosen based on rigorous analysis to do this is a
sign of where the Army thinks its priorities lie.
It is clear that heavy armour has an absolutely vital role
to play at the heart of UK defence planning, but this is a capability game and not
a numbers game. Worrying about whether we have more or less tanks than Cambodia
takes attention away from the bigger issues about investing in the right mixture
of forces to keep the UK relevant as a global player, and to ensure we retain an
effective military capable of full spectrum operations. Tanks matter, but we
must avoid being distracted by calls to buy more tanks to outrank someone when
it doesn’t necessarily help the Army to do so.
@pinstripedline
A question which needs to be asked is what is the purpose of a tank today? Against a peer it needs to be operated with mass to achieve effect, but to generate mass invites its destruction by a wide variety of long range fires in the age of omnipresent ISTAR. It's this paradox which raises the question of why spend the money on tanks rather than add a large calibre direct fire weapon to the 8x8 fleet which is being procured, because it has a chance of being useful against less capable opponents.
ReplyDeleteKilling other tanks.
DeleteFrom here: https://prodev2go.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/rus-ukr-lessons-draft.pdf
"Therefore, the prime antitank weapon in the Donbas is the high velocity 125mm gun of the main battle tank. Infantry are once again, rendered impotent against concentrated tank attack due to the lack of effective antitank weaponry."
Whilst Javelin offers a counter with its increased range, protection from KornetEM and extensive responsive artillery reduces this effect.
The speed/agility offered by 8x8/Medium platforms may turn out to be as effective as the protection it offered Battlecruisers in 1916.
That document was one of ones I had in mind when I wrote my comments. If you read the analysis it supports my statement about armour concentration becoming impossible, due to UAV and indirect fires. The comment about infantry being impotent is based on the Ukrainian use of Soviet era anti tank systems, not modern western systems.
DeleteIt underlines that in a peer battle the opposing tanks are unlikely to be able to get close enough to one another to inflict substantial numbers of kills, so again, what's the point of them?
When I suggest direct fire 8x8 it's not for a peer war, but against less capable opposition, speed in this case wouldn't be a substitute for armour, the armour they have would be sufficient to protect against the RPGs and rifle calibre machine guns which would equip the opposing forces.
If Mr Drummond is so catastrophically wrong about the need for convoy (or lack of), then why should we listen to him about anything else?
ReplyDeleteSeriously, informed defence commentators have been mocking such a suggestion as "fantasy fleet" and the shame and embarrassment I feel at even slightly agreeing with him- before YOU demolished him effortlessly- is indescribable. Why should I or anyone else fall for his pronouncements again?
Seriously, if you Humph disagree with someone, there is zero evidence for their credibility. You only ever reply to the most idiotic ideas put out by fantasy fleeters such as myself. I am SO TIRED of falling for such silly stories, and having to be embarrassed into dropping them by your excellent coverage. Meh.
I'm sorry, but if I believe Drummond again, then one day I risk feeling that shame when you take him apart again. I just don't want to risk that. I'm reaching the point where absolutely everything I thought I knew has been taken apart, and that any attempt to build it back up again will be annihilated effortlessly by geniuses like you. I can't do that any more. All I've got to offer society is menial labour, and what if someone else takes that apart? Is that it? I'm really sorry, I've just had enough.
ReplyDeleteI thought learning about WW1 and convoy would help me understand the state of the navy now. Yes, that was wrong, but my attempt to put together an education pack to teach some schoolkids about that war has basically been taken apart in your last post. I cannot teach history to people if I'm always proved wrong. Please, no more.
Drummond does pro-army fantasy fleets and some fake news or rumours like HMS Prince of Wales will be mothballed citing "defence sources" he won't reveal. Sir H took him to task for that. Drummond thinks wildy that there can be 2 armoured divisions, ignoring the fact the personnel numbers can't even sustain one brigade. Of course, many people still love him but practicality is far more reasonable that dreams. It is of course your choice.
DeleteThat proves my point further. Meh.
DeleteIf I can't get out of this educational resource work, then Humph is going to have to check bits of it for accuracy. This is not going to be pleasant.
Very interesting piece Humphrey
ReplyDeleteThe question I have, however is why 150? You describe it as a “sensible compromise” which sounds like a euphemism for a non-decision. As you say they’re not really needed to defend the UK and not readily deplorable anywhere else.
The BAOR logistical footprint no longer exists and even if it did it’s now a long way from Russia.
Yet we’re about to spend a billion minimum on a marginal capability. Here’s a suggestion - scrap the lot - donate them to Estonia. They’ll be a much better deterrent there than in a storage facility in Aldershot/wherever and will generate some some nice income in support spares upgrades etc
Convert some of the Ajax order into the 120mm tank destroyer version and some into a swingfire replacement and decisively reconfigure the army as a medium weight expeditionary force.
Just my thoughts
Op Granby--3 CR1 regiments 57 each plus spares. Largest British MBt deployment.
DeleteOp Telic invasion phase: I say 2 regiments plus spare so lesser number.
Kosovo--not sure on the size.
Afghanistan--none deployed; no realistic armour threat and NATO/allied armour depended upon.
Libya/Syria/Iraq (Shader)--no massive British ground forces.
Ajax isn't operational yet. So I don't dream too far what it can be.
Donating tanks to the Baltic nations is, to my mind, what makes the most sense, although I would be suggesting upgraded Leopard 2s but essentially the same thing. The Baltic countries would struggle to man, support and train on these on their own, but this is where NATO's capabilities comes into play, the training available is second to to none. It makes more sense to spend some of the UK's resources strengthening the Baltic's military than spending the same money on occasionally UK visits.
ReplyDeleteIf you look at the MOD statistics, there's practically none that can be donated.
DeleteI was suggesting NATO donating Leopard 2, not Challenger 2. The British contribution would be training the users and funds for upgrade/ maintenance.
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