We Few, We Happy Few, We Band of Brothers (not Sisters)...


The Mail on Sunday has published a story claiming that a near mutiny occurred after a female soldier was allegedly not removed from a course after failing a key test. The report suggests that this soldier, along with 14 others, failed the test but that it took more than 24 hours to remove them, prompting suggestions of push back by the course that double standards were being applied. This story was roundly rejected by the Army, which made clear that no standards had been reduced and inferring that was reported was less than accurate.

Humphrey’s view is simple – the people involved that need to take a long hard look in the mirror right now are the individuals (all of whom were reportedly Non-Commissioned Officers) who felt it was appropriate to contact the media and let them conduct what was effectively a very public career assassination on a fellow serving soldier.

For all the talk of ‘duty’, ‘honour’, ‘loyalty’ and other strong words used regularly by soldiers, these attributes seem to have been in conspicuous short supply by some members of this course. What sort of utter coward rings up a national newspaper to anonymously betray a fellow soldier simply because they were a woman who happened to fail a test?

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The reality is that courses with pass/fail tests will always generate failures. One of the reasons the British Army is successful is that it has an uncompromising pursuit of excellence and standards. It has repeatedly made clear that standards have not been lowered for female soldiers.

Lets be clear here, 15 soldiers reportedly failed that test and were removed from the course (RTU’d). The only one who is named and pictured is the sole female failure. This isn’t news, it’s a witch hunt by dinosaurs desperately seeking any excuse to prove a point that somehow women ‘can’t’ be infantry soldiers.

There is a suggestion on a well-known Army website that there were 75 people on the course, so to RTU 15 after one test is a 20% failure rate. Where are the legions of male soldiers protesting the poor physical standards of male infantry soldiers, clearly unable to do their job? The silence is deafening.

The debate on various Army websites also suggests that there may have been all manner of reasons why (if what is being reported is even remotely accurate) someone may not have left the course immediately. There can be many reasons for people to stay on overnight, or to wait prior to departing – from returning kit, post course administration or possibly just because its too late in the day to travel. What is frustrating here is not the allegation that someone reportedly was held over, or that there was allegedly a ‘rebellion’, but that some soldiers still seem unable to handle the idea that women can be infanteers too.

There is a distinct irony that in a week where a small number of serving soldiers mocked and moaned about an extremely successful recruiting campaign (which saw the single biggest number of expressions of interest on the Army website in over a year as a result) over the fact that the Army was targeting ‘snowflakes’, that their own peers behaviour seems pretty snowflake like too. To go crying to the papers because you don’t like the fact that the nasty scary person without a willy is on the course and took a bit longer to go home after failing a run rather than just going ‘whatever’ and cracking on seems pretty snowflake like to be honest.

People fail tests all the time – yet given the fact that 14 males failed the course, do you hear people questioning whether the front line is a suitable place for men? No, of course not. Instead this is just an example of where a few very small-minded individuals seem unable to handle the idea that just because women can be infanteers, that doesn’t change the absolute standard to which they are judged.

A bigger question is whether what has happened here though – namely the leaking to the press is something that seems to occur with alarming regularity in some quarters. For all the likelihood that a leak investigation will follow, is there much difference between the concept of a group of NCO’s leaking to the press that someone failed a course, or the regular and repeated leaks of ‘options’ and plans by very senior officers to the press when something is happening that they don’t support?

Ultimately there has been a significant values and standards fail here, but is this any different to the way that some senior officers feel that protecting capbadge loyalty warrants privately passing protectively marked and sensitive information on defence cut options to protect their own interests and not the nations as a whole?

Leaking is not acceptable under any circumstances. What is needed is behaviours at all levels to reflect this, and try to ensure that people respect and protect the privileged information that they have access to, and not leak like a faulty pipe every time that something they don’t like may be on the verge of happening. 


One good thing that has emerged is the robust and swift response from the unit in question via social media, making clear standards have not changed. Again, this is a good example of the Army really gripping, using and exploiting social media channels to communicate far more effectively than in the past.

The key frustration here is the way that a soldier who has done nothing worse than fail a test has been publicly humiliated in a media article because her peers chose to let her down. This is utterly unacceptable, and the culprits should be found and severely punished – not just for the leak, but for their immaturity and willingness to intentionally target fellow soldiers in this manner – there is no excuse for this under any circumstances.

It is sad that in 2019 there are still people who seem unable to cope with the basic concept that women are soldiers, that they are bloody good soldiers and that they have a long history of service on the front line and in firefights where they have more than distinguished themselves. Very few people want to be in the infantry – it is a difficult, demanding and very dangerous job that requires a lot of its people.

We owe it to stand by everyone, male or female, who wants to be in the infantry and offer them our full support and thanks. People serving deserve better than being subjected to being stabbed in the back and betrayed by their peers, or trial by media for no reason other than the fact they are a woman.


Comments

  1. Yep, anyone who resists allowing unqualified wymyn through is a dinosaur...

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    1. The author of this blog is a brainwashed fool. I mean, look at this:

      "Lets be clear here, 15 soldiers reportedly failed that test and were removed from the course (RTU’d). The only one who is named and pictured is the sole female failure. This isn’t news, it’s a witch hunt by dinosaurs desperately seeking any excuse to prove a point that somehow women ‘can’t’ be infantry soldiers."

      Somehow, it's evaded him that the only reason the others who failed the course weren't dismissed is because the woman who was with them was given a pass.

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    2. Not what IBS said happened, but if you're more comfortable believing a journalist over the people running the course, crack on.

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    3. It is fantastic post. I'll be waiting for more posts assignment writers online uk reviews

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  2. Ianeon My understanding is that the fitness test is done on arrival (I know of a soldier wose transport arrived late, and he wasn't even given time to get his kit off the bus before doing the test). Those who fail are RTUd, because to do the course (I'm guessing it was Junior Brecon)they have to have a certain level of fitness. Doesn't mean they can't do it again, and my understanding is that a second fail is almost unheard of, they have learnt a lesson.
    Sir Humphrey, entirely agree, but the lure of £££ the paper will have paid for a good story inspires the leak

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  3. So standards haven't been dropped to accommodate female candidates, but I was told it was inevitable that they would be.......

    The key thing for me is that soldiers are going to papers with stories to discredit their fellow soldiers.
    They shouldn't be in the Army.
    If you have a problem, you take it up your line of command, if you're not satisfied with the response, you resign. This was a training course for God's sake, imagine if these people had to deal with real conflict.
    There are times when you disagree with decisions made by your seniors, you have your choices, going to a journalist to whinge isn't one of them.

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    1. You were shown last time that standards have dropped, and it seems even these reduced standards aren't being enforced

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    2. Neither of those points is true. The standards are being enforced, as witnessed by the fact that someone who had successfully completed the test previously was sent home when they failed it this time. If it wasn't for the fact that this person was a woman, there wouldn't be a story here.

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    3. She should have been dismissed immediately. She wasn't because she's a woman. How is that not lowering standards?

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    4. She was removed from the course for failing the standards, your point seems to be that because it didn't happen as quickly as you (arbitrarily) want, it's a lowering of the standards is just nonsense. We don't know why the group stayed over night, Brecon isn't the easiest to travel to, having trained there I know, so transport might be the problem.

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  4. UK Defence Journal carries the tweet from the DM illustrated with a picture of the soldier concerned. Who took it? Who owns the copyright?

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  5. I think your piece has missed a rather crucial point. Cpl Dougherty was allowed to continue on the course in spite of failing the fitness test BECAUSE she was a woman, when the course rules clearly stated that failure of the test automatically required RTU. It was this that sparked the rebellion, and I think making the issue public (which was the only course left to those who passed) was entirely justified.
    It is fine having women in the front line, and at sea, so long as they are there on equal terms.

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    1. So we have a conflict of reports between the Mail and the Army. Which one is true? I am as cynical as the next person (sic) on the accuracy of newspapers, but they do occasionally speak the truth. While service people caught misbehaving in public do occasionally (horror!) not tell the truth. In this case, the event itself (the rebellion) also speaks to the truth. I do not think for a minute that a group of young NCOs would rebel over a woman joining their course, while they would strongly object to a woman being given a free pass after failing a go/nogo test. So, the weight of evidence is that the press is true this time.

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    2. 'The event itself' - where did you establish it was anything more than a work of journalist fiction? Let's be truthful, you chose the Mail journalist's version of the story over the Army's because it supported your previous conviction, not because it has any more weight, because it doesn't. There isn't any evidence to prove either version is accurate.

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    3. I chose the press version because I fundamentally do distrust the PR machine in the Ministry of Defence, yes, and for good reasons (many cases where MoD has been shown to be less than diligent about "le Verite" in court and elsehwere). To be clear, I distrust the Ministry, not so much the Army itself.

      Also the circumstances corroborate. If the Army's version was true there would have been no story, no row, and no discussion. Are you saying that the Mail made it up? The Sun, possibly. The Mirror, likely. The Mail? Possible, but not likely.

      I have no interest at all in flattering my convictions - what interests me is reality, not vanity.

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  6. Maybe they just don't want girls in what was once Thier all male club?

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  7. I'm not entirely against having recruiting done in different ways, after all the kids of today wouldn't walk into bank branch to do their financial business, but if you do your contact purely through digital means, you better make sure it's brilliant. Sadly Capita isn't strong in this. I can't recall a single good digital interaction where I found out the offering was developed by them. My take is that it's still the human element which makes the 'sale', but it has to seemlessly integrated with the supporting processes. Online standards are high and getting higher, your recruitment is the first interaction with the organisation and if it's poor, you will judge the rest of the organisation on that. Maybe it's not a return to recruitment offices across the land, but there are many ways to make contact with people who may be interested in a military career. ACF seems to be a jewel which hasn't be used nearly enough in my experience.

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  8. I know of a case where fitness standards were dropped for female army medics being mobalised from the then TA for OP TELIC.This was in 2007. I know because i was there. Anybody who thinks this isnt going on and standards arent being slowly erroded is either willfully blind or lieing.

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    1. Yep, there are cases going through the courts of service personnel who said they were mobilised despite not being fit. As far as I know it was particularly bad in the 2000's when there were two heavy commitments and comes down to the CO deciding whether they would prefer a void in their organisation or a potential casualty in theatre.

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  9. Still being ridiculously politically correct, I see.

    Here, in simple terms: women should not be allowed in combat.

    http://bobjust.com/womenincombat/

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    1. Read the article and it's missing some of the studies which have been done, unsurprising given it was written 20 years ago.
      To summarise it's argument its that women on average are weaker than men, I agree; women given training can improve their strength to the objectively agreed standard required, I agree; we shouldn't do that, I don't agree and I can't see a logical rationale for the conclusion.

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    3. Have women become men in the last 20 years? Are they now less prone to injury? Do they have the reaction times of men? What about physical strength? Equal to that of men? Have spatial reasoning differentials closed? Behave.

      http://www.unz.com/freed/women-in-the-military-fiat-equality/

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    4. When I was reading the link you posted I expected something which supported your assertions, unfortunately I got a racist rant which didn't supply evidence.
      All of your points suffer from the same mistake, they confuse average with an individual. On average women have less upper body strength, but does that mean every women is less strong than a man? No.
      To illustrate, Jasmin Paris just won a ultra marathon, beating all competitors including men, and set a record time. On average women are slower runners than men, but some individual women are quicker than individual men. Therefore you set objective standards to do the job and whoever passes them gets employed.
      BTW, the linked article is out of date, two women have now passed the USMC infantry officer course.

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    5. Racist? Where?

      The report referenced a US military study. Truth is, people like you are ideologues. No evidence will ever make you change your mind.

      The strength of the average man is incomparable to the strength of the average woman; men are radically superior physical specimens. What's the point of upsetting front line structure, ethos - women are simply not killers - and (emotional) dynamics to accommodate one or two women every year? The costs are simply too high

      But anyway, go back to 'thinking' that women and men are equal. It's easier to be fashionable.

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    6. From your link. "Having men of low social class in authority over young wmen inevitably results in rape or behaviour close to it, usually by black men".
      The evidence doesn't show what you think it does. It says the average woman is weaker than the average man, by a significant proportion in upper body strength
      (55% of men's) and an less significant proportion on lower body (72% of men's), but it says nothing about individuals.
      Far from pointing to evidence you are doubling down with statements like 'women are simply not killers', which must come as a surprise to the prison authorities housing women murderers.
      Now we get to your latest excuse, upsetting the structure. The problem with this is that expectations of what is normal working life is changing, the recruits of today expect to see women in authority and as colleagues. What was strange 20 years ago is normal now.
      Women and men are not physically the same, but if a woman can prove they can do the role, she should be allowed to.

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    7. David Suarez, you are blinkered and clearly never served a day!! - Try repeating your nonsense to any one of the many women who are currently employed as Special Forces operatives and fighting alongside their male colleagues around the world!!!.......Yeah, you read that correctly!!!!

      Try telling that to Dame Kelly Holmes. One of our elite Olympian athletes and a serving member of our armed forces whilst she was competing! She could have out run and out strengthen you any day!!

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