tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post8757778082187876755..comments2024-03-20T12:03:26.126+00:00Comments on Thin Pinstriped Line: Neither a Frigate, nor an OPV be…Sir Humphreyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-40113232919786911092017-02-18T05:42:49.395+00:002017-02-18T05:42:49.395+00:00Hyderabad Escorts
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Hyderabad Esco...<a href="http://mahisehgal2you.blogspot.in/" rel="nofollow">Hyderabad Escorts</a><br /><a href="http://anamikapillai.blogspot.in/" rel="nofollow">Hyderabad Escorts</a><br /><a href="https://muskanrajput01.blogspot.in/" rel="nofollow">Hyderabad Escorts</a><br /><a href="http://nilimaroy01.blogspot.in/" rel="nofollow">Hyderabad Escorts</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16326845963363188272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-85480671991145214112016-09-16T13:49:56.388+01:002016-09-16T13:49:56.388+01:00Well done on predicting the new Type 31 program.
...Well done on predicting the new Type 31 program.<br /><br />Hopefully GPFF will just about give is 98%.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12729830680739249692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-1137229908281590222015-05-11T03:18:32.109+01:002015-05-11T03:18:32.109+01:00In its current form the Holland OPV concept does n...In its current form the Holland OPV concept does not seem much threat to the RNs planned T26 Global conflict ship. However the three main points that Sir Humphrey makes, the lack of back up crew, light weaponry and speed could presumably be overcome for an extra 50 million pounds a ship, with the addition of a gas turbine boost engine, Phalanx and increase in the crew size to 130 with the ratings sharing cabins and current provision for a marine detachment, hospital or survivors area turned into conventional naval accommodation. The upgrade of the USN LCS to tow a sonar is another possibly inexpensive addition. Overall I think the cost would still be considerably less a new Meko 200 of the RNZN as they will be fitted in 2020. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-19840896219391595822012-11-21T20:55:30.497+00:002012-11-21T20:55:30.497+00:00Hi Roland, thanks very much for your comments. You...Hi Roland, thanks very much for your comments. Your figures are a really helpful way to show the value of these vessels. <br /><br />RgdsSir Humphreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-33422872469946069152012-11-20T23:48:06.282+00:002012-11-20T23:48:06.282+00:00This ship won a innovation award today hence I loo...This ship won a innovation award today hence I looked it up.Here is a video in Dutch that shows the inside.<br />www.youtube.com/watch?feature=mhee&v=Cs-HQWt3GZQRolandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-48685432059326971462012-11-20T23:16:37.654+00:002012-11-20T23:16:37.654+00:00You are right that it is a ship that can do approx...You are right that it is a ship that can do approx. 80% of the tasks formely performed by m-class frigates but at a estimated 20% or less of the cost.The savings in crew cost alone (50 instead of 300) together with cheaper fuel use (diesels no gas turbines) make for much cheaper maintenance.These 4 came at total cost of 468 million Euro or 117 per vessel so 4 of these for the price of one fully equiped frigate or corvette.Rolandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-37873936073355961782012-03-21T21:10:33.506+00:002012-03-21T21:10:33.506+00:00Conceptually these ships are very much like Americ...Conceptually these ships are very much like American Coast Guard Cutters. They place emphasis on seakeeping and endurance, have good sensors, communications, helicopter and boat facilities and modest speed and armament. <br /><br />They can perform useful roles in war time in terms of regulating shipping, but are not first line units.Chuck Hillhttp://cgblog.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-10628960208819199092012-03-21T09:57:25.296+00:002012-03-21T09:57:25.296+00:00Another nice post
The size of this class can be d...Another nice post<br /><br />The size of this class can be deceiving as the design grew to optimise sea keeping, while measures were taken for the cost not to grow (commercial steel, not the usual naval grade), high level of automation to minimise the crew (helo & contingent to go with it are not always needed), less installed power (chasing to be done by the boats for which launch positions are optimised for even rough seas, up to state 5, and the helo) ...and container handling is so clever that it is not easily spotted - two of them, when required, under the hangar<br /><br />Cheers, ACCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-51274336942630312932012-03-20T00:36:16.035+00:002012-03-20T00:36:16.035+00:00Correct, a compromised design which is more than w...Correct, a compromised design which is more than what is needed for an OPV but would be of limited use in a medium to high-threat environment. It tries to do two jobs and ends up doing neither effectively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-8133842318049952922012-03-20T00:27:12.020+00:002012-03-20T00:27:12.020+00:00Yes, high-end escorts like the T26 can perform low...Yes, high-end escorts like the T26 can perform low-end tasks, but the reverse just doesn't work. That is why ships like this are of questionable value to navies like the RN (high operational tempo and put themselves in harm's way). If all you want is something for routine security and counter-narcotics duties, then they are fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-8279432719583399642012-03-19T22:32:08.965+00:002012-03-19T22:32:08.965+00:00A real shame if the Netherlands will only get two ...A real shame if the Netherlands will only get two of the four planned - they are potent ships. My concern is that they sit in the uncomfortable gap between proper frigates and OPVS, but we arent able to explain to people who dont get the distinction that just because it looks like a Frigate doesnt mean we can send it up threat.Sir Humphreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-82182249096315094742012-03-19T20:04:43.195+00:002012-03-19T20:04:43.195+00:00For what it is and does, the Holland class could h...For what it is and does, the Holland class could have been smaller and cheaper. Look at e.g. the Spanish BAM-class. <br />It also seems to lack the open workdeck and space for containerised mission modules to make it a ship along the lines of the UK's MHPC concept (BMT's Venator design study is often mentioned in this context) or Australia's future multirole offshore secondary combattant.<br />Not sure what to think about it. I would not duplicate it for "my" armchair navy.WWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739235984426454611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-29161696230541941482012-03-19T19:33:40.640+00:002012-03-19T19:33:40.640+00:00The beauty of something like a T26 is that it can ...The beauty of something like a T26 is that it can do the low-end work, like APT(N) etc, but also it can swing into high-end work like escorting an ARG, or joining a USN CVBG. The Holland class can't really do that.<br /> In many ways the Holland class looks like it is too much ship to be an OPV and too little ship to be a frigate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-54759281435955471902012-03-19T17:44:23.661+00:002012-03-19T17:44:23.661+00:00As part of a package of cuts announced in late 201...As part of a package of cuts announced in late 2011, the 3rd and 4th ships of this class are likely to be sold overseas upon completion. It would be nice to have something similar in the RN if they could be built quickly and cheaply, but it not worth investing much in ships of this type as they are really only suitable for coastguard and constabulary duties. I would describe them as a 50% rather than an 80% solution! I seem to remember a plan to build a class of 6 OPVs for the RN in about 1985. It was shelved on cost grounds, but the RN weren't keen as they thought that the goverment would use it as an excuse to reduce the Type 23 build.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-36725906496390320322012-03-19T17:18:29.283+00:002012-03-19T17:18:29.283+00:00interesting article and I love the hollandes, but ...interesting article and I love the hollandes, but i'm not sure i see the conflict as surely this replicated in the C3 (MHPC?)..........?jedibeeftrixhttp://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-19187861800576048102012-03-19T10:06:46.456+00:002012-03-19T10:06:46.456+00:00I like the concept more than the execution in this...I like the concept more than the execution in this case.<br /><br />I think it should be even less warshippy.<br />Personaly, I'd use Bays.<br />We actualy did send an Albion on a big training mission to Bangladesh not too long ago, doing amphibious assault and stop/search/seize exercises with their marines.<br /><br />A Bay like ship could happily carry a couple of lynxs or merlins, with full hangars and workshops and a small flotilla of patrol boats, something like an enlarged CB90 that can be autonomous for three days.<br /><br />These can provide the standing patrols we have out pirate/drug hunting.<br /><br />Our high end assets can then be sent out on mentoring or flag flying as needed.<br /><br />In the event of a proper war, the auxillary craft are full fledged landing ships, or moderatly effective helicopter carriers.TrThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316335177828136131noreply@blogger.com