tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post8129114642601834123..comments2024-03-20T12:03:26.126+00:00Comments on Thin Pinstriped Line: The death of UK shipbuilding has been greatly over exaggerated Sir Humphreyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-7554317662522221602013-11-25T03:48:57.541+00:002013-11-25T03:48:57.541+00:00Skypax services provide international consumers ac...Skypax services provide international consumers access to order any product from the <br />UK and have it shipped to any destination Worldwide. We can forward or even purchase <br />items directly for you from UK retailers or eBay and have them delivered directly to your home<br /><a href="https://skypax.com/" rel="nofollow">Uk delivery</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245821009278620364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-70322271598049015712013-11-14T17:09:34.347+00:002013-11-14T17:09:34.347+00:00I ask is there now anything special about shipbuil...I ask is there now anything special about shipbuilding?<br /><br />All of the techniques are used elsewhere.<br /><br />Obviously design is another matter.<br /><br />Surely if ships are to be built at a future date then I would have thought facilities could be set up at any convenient point. Mobile cranes are now available with heavy lifts the days of the big hammerheads are gone (goliaths are nice though!)<br /><br />Some of the foreign yards appear to be pretty basic and deliver the goods.DGOSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-30284489302820557382013-11-13T18:12:39.706+00:002013-11-13T18:12:39.706+00:00I have gone through a number of entries in this bl...I have gone through a number of entries in this blog and I am still of the view that the MoD fails to understand its job. As a lieutenant I remember getting a dressing down when I asked the then Minister of Defence if I could meet my civil servants from the MoD (at that point there were around 2 for every person in uniform) according to the MoD's own figures. In this day and age with computerised systems and so on, there is no need for this level of civilian staffing in a defence organisation and in many respects the result of too many people involved in the process are the huge levels of wastage in the budget from procurement to day to day wastage.<br /><br />Until such time as there is a clear understanding of the priorities in defence spending - equipment, training and capability first with non uniform personnel second, then the UK armed services will continue to be underfunded, over stretched and screwed over by Sir Humphrey and his chums.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658648814661369048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-1551830458535064542013-11-13T11:24:16.438+00:002013-11-13T11:24:16.438+00:00Can Barrow still make surface ships? This site see...Can Barrow still make surface ships? This site seems to imply that the facilities are there: http://www.navalshipbuilding.co.uk/navalship_home.asp?ID=HOM2<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-51946511606957334282013-11-13T10:33:55.972+00:002013-11-13T10:33:55.972+00:00Portsmouth is not the only shipyard in England. it...Portsmouth is not the only shipyard in England. its just the only BAE shipyard in England<br />1`kieranlockenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-86996647443606730262013-11-08T19:24:42.949+00:002013-11-08T19:24:42.949+00:00The list of supposed ships built by BAE were in fa...The list of supposed ships built by BAE were in fact built by Vosper, taken over by BAE...sadly, as part of another of Grodon Brown' master plans that went wrong. The effects of political input into the long term health and well being of the Navy is astoundingly poorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-31191774815412934132013-11-07T18:50:29.138+00:002013-11-07T18:50:29.138+00:00Very much so. Any job loss is a desperately sad ti...Very much so. Any job loss is a desperately sad time. Sir Humphreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-74333170194484873322013-11-07T17:43:58.297+00:002013-11-07T17:43:58.297+00:00Does Sir H feel for the employees who will be out ...Does Sir H feel for the employees who will be out of work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-25082211031428683682013-11-07T17:12:49.654+00:002013-11-07T17:12:49.654+00:00I would suggest that this is part of a cunning pla...I would suggest that this is part of a cunning plan to pass the three existing River class OPVs to the Scots in the event of a Yes vote for independence. That should just about fit their budget and requirements of a newly created Scots Navy and will mean there is no question of handing over a valuable Type 23 to Alex Salmond and his friends. And the UK will then still have three brand new OPVs to protects its territorial waters. If the vote is No there will be plenty of potential customers for the existing vessels and there might even be a case for keeping them (how about one each deployed to the Caribbean and Falklands?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-56309335581164642082013-11-07T17:05:46.296+00:002013-11-07T17:05:46.296+00:00Well of course it might have helped if a UK yard h...Well of course it might have helped if a UK yard had actually bid to build the tankers. The real problem is that BAE dominates shipbuilding and as a company it is top heavy with management, employs its workforce and materials in a grossly inefficient and incompetent fashion, and charges as much as it can at every stage. It is unfit to be a contractor to MOD. The UK would do better forcing BAE out of shipbuilding and either nationalising their shipyards or encouraging a competent company to buy them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-19474832304362990952013-11-07T16:56:29.331+00:002013-11-07T16:56:29.331+00:00Good to see an upbeat article on the RN. However,...Good to see an upbeat article on the RN. However, your point about all the new hi-tech tonnage hits the nail on the head. The RN always goes for "gold plated" gear when perhaps something cheaper and good enough for the job would do - and attract foreign orders.danentwisle.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01533172707301984386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-91979638496770008632013-11-07T14:15:00.619+00:002013-11-07T14:15:00.619+00:00"Is it too much hyperbole to suggest that in ..."Is it too much hyperbole to suggest that in the authors very personal view, the UK will never again build a Corvette or above sized vessel for export? Probably not."<br /><br />I hope not - one of the reasons for the flexibility and modular nature of the Type 26 is to attract foreign orders.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10940535661399125656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-58767427102829901642013-11-07T13:31:51.178+00:002013-11-07T13:31:51.178+00:00No jobs should have been lost had the 4 new RFA...No jobs should have been lost had the 4 new RFA's been built here rather than South Korea (The order was only placed 9 months ago and we are now sacking 1800 shipbuilders, the South Korean themselves must think we are mad!!!!). Even if it had cost more up front this would have been more than offset by retention of the jobs and strategic skills. Also a long term plan for commercial shipbuilding is needed. The money invested by BAE/MOD in the skills and equipment for our warships should enable us to win orders for the more complex hi value end of the commercial market. There are operators out there ordering specialized support vessels from foreign yards every day. To say it is not possible to sustain a commercial shipbuilding industry on the back of our proven warship building ability is simply defeatism in my opionion, no doubt shared by those to be made redundant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-31934592198734373972013-11-07T12:03:21.010+00:002013-11-07T12:03:21.010+00:00Good article, however regarding this point "t...Good article, however regarding this point "the UK will never again build a corvette or above sized vessel for export?"<br />BAE Systems Maritime is currently building the Khareef class corvettes for the Royal Navy of Oman, the first ship Al Shamikh has just entered service, and Al Rahmani and Al Rasikh are under construction at Portsmouth. In terms of capability they would perhaps be better designated light frigates.<br />The three Amazonas class OPVs were also recently delivered to the Brazilian Navy.<br />And further back:<br />The Nakhoda class corvettes for the Royal Navy of Brunei (vessels now sold to Indonesia)<br />The Qahir class corvettes for the Royal Navy of Oman<br />The Lekiu class light frigates for the Malaysian Navy<br />The River class OPV HTMS Krabi for the Royal Thai Navy.<br />So I think you are being a bit pessimistic and the UK could still have some success in the export of this type of vessel, perhaps more so than the T26.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-63210629444031474502013-11-07T09:14:24.919+00:002013-11-07T09:14:24.919+00:00When i referred to 450 people i meant the fact tha...When i referred to 450 people i meant the fact that you need a ratio of roughly 3 people to keep one at sea - one at sea and two on shore billets for career development, shore time and the like. While the rivers may only need 40 odd crew, there are plenty more needed in the system to ensure there are always 40 available. Sir Humphreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-66209250792499383062013-11-07T01:00:49.476+00:002013-11-07T01:00:49.476+00:00Interesting but the current Rivers happily run a 3...Interesting but the current Rivers happily run a 3 watch system with in the region of 40 personnel in total. So your 450 some way off.<br />I think we are 2 far out to guess how this affects T26 numbers but agree with first poster. <br />If it is a choice between losing an escort or 2 and keeping the original Rivers then the military will say bye bye Rivers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-75437361750682892032013-11-06T23:30:55.284+00:002013-11-06T23:30:55.284+00:00A clear and common-sense analysis. Very different ...A clear and common-sense analysis. Very different to the misplaced hype and hand-wringing going on in the DT at the moment! My expectation is that the existing Rivers will decommission early to make way for the new OPVS, and if it comes to a choice between losing frigates or OPVs the latter will be most definitely be sacrificed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com