tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post4821053238004970352..comments2024-03-20T12:03:26.126+00:00Comments on Thin Pinstriped Line: CVF and the quiet success of UK shipbuildingSir Humphreyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08704774192275240783noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-20257963666727468802015-12-09T05:09:14.353+00:002015-12-09T05:09:14.353+00:00pirate kings hack Thanks a lot, that's exactly...<a href="http://3hax.com/pirate-king/" rel="nofollow">pirate kings hack</a> Thanks a lot, that's exactly what i needed. I was looking from a lot of time but could find it. But finally i did.<br />Mamta Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15275597014996628566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-87318752452146959052013-05-28T06:08:07.272+01:002013-05-28T06:08:07.272+01:00Hey, nice site you have here! Keep up the excellen...Hey, nice site you have here! 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They are doing there part now its down to the rest of us to secure our economic future (10% less imports and 10% more exports by proportion will do the job just fine).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-91654265290725134372012-05-09T20:29:44.753+01:002012-05-09T20:29:44.753+01:00Well there is the answer then, we have the capabil...Well there is the answer then, we have the capabilities to build cruise ships now. They can fill in the gaps (hopefully there won't be many in the future) between warships. The only thing this country really lacks sometimes is self belief, we can and should do anything we decide we want to!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-76382988139233952082012-04-21T14:17:00.186+01:002012-04-21T14:17:00.186+01:00It is impossible to escape the fact that the only ...It is impossible to escape the fact that the only warship produces in Europe that are thriving are in receipt of huge state subsidies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-63487450108746253262012-04-19T14:51:28.717+01:002012-04-19T14:51:28.717+01:00The reason that BAE hold the Australian contracts ...The reason that BAE hold the Australian contracts is because they inherited them when they acquired Tenix. BAE did not set up the contracts and had no say in where the ships were built. Most of the money is being spent in Spain, the Australian end being the low value component.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-61797085736000466652012-04-19T12:00:59.987+01:002012-04-19T12:00:59.987+01:00Who owns and manages the project is not the issue....Who owns and manages the project is not the issue. The fact is that these yards are surviving (and in some cases thriving) by being involved in building ships for foreign navies. This is what UK yards have to do to have a future. Incidentally, the bulk of the work on the LHDs (~65%) is being done in Spain, not Australia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-28157678904012227032012-04-11T14:33:05.480+01:002012-04-11T14:33:05.480+01:00The Australian projects are a likely pointer to fu...The Australian projects are a likely pointer to future warship construction elsewhere.The Navantia-designed LHDs and destroyers for the RAN are of modular construction, with modules being built at various yards in Spain and Australia, prior to completion, fitting out and commissioning in Australia. The entire project is owned and managed not by Navantia, but by BAE SYSTEMS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-33004050542520799672012-04-04T16:29:00.974+01:002012-04-04T16:29:00.974+01:00Whether the playing field is uneven or not, if the...Whether the playing field is uneven or not, if the UK wishes to retain what is left of its indigenous shipbuilding industry then it needs to start selling warships to foreign navies. That is why the government is seeking internnational partners for the Type 26 programme.<br /><br />Following on from the CVF project, there will only be 12 (at the most) Type 26 frigates and ~10 multi-role vessels (to replace the current minor war vessels) to sustain the industry for the next 20+ years. Any support ships ordered will be sourced from overseas to save money. This is simply not enough to maintain the industry at its current level.<br /><br />I would also take issue with your assertion that European yards simply churn out low-end warships. Look at Navantia, for example. Among their recent contracts have been 2 LHDs for Australia, 5 frigates for Norway and a light aircraft carrier for Thailand. They are also involved in building 3 destroyers for Australia. There is absolutely nothing low-end about these orders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-62936398089008128322012-04-04T12:37:11.556+01:002012-04-04T12:37:11.556+01:00Crumbs perhaps, but we must remember that playing ...Crumbs perhaps, but we must remember that playing field in most uneven. The Italian and French (and Spanish)yards are awash with subsidy, in the form of state (ie EU taxpayers, including us ) money, and a protected home market for naval vessels. BAE, Babcock and smaller British yards cannot possibly compete on price in these circumstances and should be given credit for winning any orders at allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-26861015310633083832012-04-04T03:53:50.591+01:002012-04-04T03:53:50.591+01:00As Sir Humphrey pointed out, a lot of floor space ...As Sir Humphrey pointed out, a lot of floor space in UK yards is taken up by the CVF program. <br /><br />In addition, the UKs designs are not conducive to much in the way of export sales as they are geared to the requirements of the RN. The French and Italians meanwhile are good at churning out lighter tonnage vessels, OPVs and avisos that are attractive to other navies because of their smaller logistical footprint. It is also worth noting that many of these navies already operate significant amounts of French or Italian equipment, so it fits to continue to purchase from the same buyer.<br /><br />Unless we start producing ships solely for the export market then it will be hard to capture interest, since anyone who wants what we currently offer would probably rather make their own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-74575286407907505532012-04-03T18:19:45.581+01:002012-04-03T18:19:45.581+01:00You are wrong. The orders you mention are laughabl...You are wrong. The orders you mention are laughably small. Compare these with the activities of the French and Italian shipyards, for example. The British orders are nothing more than crumbs from the table.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-6767524156707599802012-04-03T11:39:14.971+01:002012-04-03T11:39:14.971+01:00Blocks are impressive, but cruise ships have been ...Blocks are impressive, but cruise ships have been built in blocks for a decade, its not pioneering defence, its lagging behind.<br /><br />Healthy, perhaps, but more to do with the amount of money thrown at it than anything elseTrThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316335177828136131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-44405196293808772382012-04-02T16:00:12.529+01:002012-04-02T16:00:12.529+01:00More on the Canadian angle at the Canadian Defence...More on the Canadian angle at the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute's "3Ds Blog":<br /><br />"New RCN Ships: The Big Subsidies (Provincial) Begin to Flow"<br />http://www.cdfai.org/the3dsblog/?p=986<br /><br />Mark<br />OttawaMark, Ottawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01193547132937352127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-60130707395830799042012-04-02T11:14:31.929+01:002012-04-02T11:14:31.929+01:00The comments on lack of foreign warship orders are...The comments on lack of foreign warship orders are grossly inaccurare. At various stages of construction are: 2 OPVs for Ireland, 3 OPVs for Brazil and 3 corvettes for Oman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-71524000558240915422012-03-31T02:35:14.044+01:002012-03-31T02:35:14.044+01:00So care to give us a view on the aviation front th...So care to give us a view on the aviation front then?<br />While that is very positive, the comments about cuts is poltical. Cut to defence cannot be put down to one project!<br /><br />I'm all for in effect " subsidising" these industries, defence projects are mega money. A whole lot of other non defence projects as well are the same, in fact look around the western world and you wont find much difference, retaining skills skills and getting something costs money.<br /><br />Ps written in bed on a smartphone so lots of mistakes.Paul Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285661735017310674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-79379857199282720292012-03-30T22:29:15.090+01:002012-03-30T22:29:15.090+01:00It is good to hear a good news defence story for a...It is good to hear a good news defence story for a change. I'm guessing we won't hear something like this in the press however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6254362504495980377.post-66560596255636649882012-03-30T21:49:04.851+01:002012-03-30T21:49:04.851+01:00I'm not at all convinced that the defence budg...I'm not at all convinced that the defence budget is on a sustainable footing for the future. We will be lucky to see 13 Type 26s being built (I think 8-10 is more likely), and it should be remembered that the CVF programme has been partly responsible for deep cuts to the rest of the fleet.<br /><br />The cost and risk associated with this project was never really understood, and it may well be the case that the RN is in line for still more cuts in the next few years (e.g. 2015 defence review). Our resources are finite, and there was never going to be enough money in the budget for both the regeneration of carrier strike and a balanced fleet with adequate critical mass. One or the other, not both.<br /><br />What British shipbuilding needs to do is get involved in building ships for foreign navies again. Just about every other major European nation is doing this, and we have built virtually zero in the last 20-25 years. The RN of the 21st Century will simply be too small to sustain the industry without a slice of the orders that are going to our EU neighbours. That is the harsh reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com